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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

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DueDiligence said:
Duhhhhh. one person going out to one place has less risk of catching covid then 5 people going out to 5 places. Simple math and Logic#
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Perfect. But that assumes the only people going out are not Covid positive.

Yet the rest are staying home infecting each other.

Brilliant. But dull AF.
 
kb said:
Cool. So you have no contact with the relatives you drop off the food for?

Point out the excess deaths we saved from doing this, and I will agree with you.
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So you admit then that these measures work, since there isn't an excess in deaths.
 
Pink Mist said:
Not to mention, ideally, less people in the stores.
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How does that stop spread when all the rest of the cases are forced to stay home with each other?

80% of spread happen at home people. I wish I could help with understanding.
 
kb said:
How does that stop spread when all the rest of the cases are forced to stay home with each other?

80% of spread happen at home people. I wish I could help with understanding.
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Because less people are out to spread it, obviously.

Sure, help me understand. Give me a citation that 80% of transmission happens in the home.
 
Pink Mist said:
So you admit then that these measures work, since there isn't an excess in deaths.
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Mid September deaths were down 45% in Ontario when we weren't locked down.

So you admit this is not anything deadly?
 
Pink Mist said:
Because less people are out to spread it, obviously.

Sure, help me understand. Give me a citation that 80% of transmission happens in the home.
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How about you give me a citation that it magically doesn't spread at home?

"The Ministry of Public Health of British Columbia stated that there is absolutely no chance of being infected with Covid-19 if you are outdoors. They did a study that revealed how 80% of all infections happens inside homes. The rest take place in trains and buses.

'There is absolutely no evidence that this virus is present in the air and even if it was, our measures would not have worked. The overwhelming majority of covid-19 transmission occurs through close and prolonged personal contact.'

Dr. Reka Gustafson, Provincial Health Officer British Columbia
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kb said:
How about you give me a citation that it magically doesn't spread at home?

"The Ministry of Public Health of British Columbia stated that there is absolutely no chance of being infected with Covid-19 if you are outdoors. They did a study that revealed how 80% of all infections happens inside homes. The rest take place in trains and buses.

'There is absolutely no evidence that this virus is present in the air and even if it was, our measures would not have worked. The overwhelming majority of covid-19 transmission occurs through close and prolonged personal contact.'

Dr. Reka Gustafson, Provincial Health Officer British Columbia
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A citation means to show your source. Give me a link.
 
Pink Mist said:
A citation means to show your source. Give me a link.
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So the guy who has not provided a single solitary thing to support his position in any way is demanding proof of mine? Cool.

Hint.....go check the numbers yourself.
 
kb said:
So the guy who has not provided a single solitary thing to support his position in any way is demanding proof of mine? Cool.

Hint.....go check the numbers yourself.
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You're the one that made the claim that is being disputed. You have to provide evidence to substantiate the claim. That's how the burden of proof works.

If you're going to cite stats, back them up
 
Pink Mist said:
You're the one that made the claim that is being disputed. You have to provide evidence to substantiate the claim. That's how the burden of proof works
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Refute mind with numbers please, and thank you. I cited the governing body. You cited nothing.
 
kb said:
Refute mind with numbers please, and thank you. I cited the governing body. You cited nothing.
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I live in Ottawa too.

This explains everything about your point of view.
 
kb said:
What do HONEST SCIENTISTS say about covid-19 and the pandemic?

Feel free to prove it wrong.
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Lmfao.

1) that's a conspiracy site, and I don't think you should believe that I'm about to take seriously anything from it

2) that 80% transmission that is cited links to a study not from BC, but from China, and uses a small sample of outbreaks to come to that conclusion. It doesn't negate the fact that there is an outside source where someone needs to get the virus to be able to bring to the household.
 
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Pink Mist said:
Lmfao.

1) that's a conspiracy site, and I don't think you should believe that I'm about to take seriously anything from it

2) that 80% transmission that is cited links to a study not from BC, but from China, and uses a small sample of outbreaks to come to that conclusion. It doesn't negate the fact that there is an outside source where someone needs to get the virus to be able to bring to the household.
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Well, now it should be easy to prove it wrong, right? LMAO doesn't cut it.

Let's see it.

80% of the spread happens at home. Obviously they need to get it from somewhere. Over 90% originates from "essential" services, while 0.1% comes from retail.

But the gap in logic is that no matter what, locking people down doesn't change how many have the virus, nor will it stop the spread.....you will spread it at home, instead of in public.

Can you not understand that simple fact? Is it really that hard? It shouldn't be. All we are doing is keeping the infected people SPREADING AT HOME.
 
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kb said:
Well, now it should be easy to prove it wrong, right? LMAO doesn't cut it.

Let's see it.
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Since you clearly haven't read the actual study itself, here it is: Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

And I think it should be taken with a grain of salt considering the study was from during the period of Chinese New Year in which mass amounts of travel and large family get together occur. Plus it's a small sample, plus it only looks at outbreaks of 3 or more people.

Plus it doesn't negate the fact that someone needs to bring the virus into the household for it to spread, meaning that patient 0 of the household obviously has to contract it outside of it.

Which is what lockdown measures are used to control for.
 
Pink Mist said:
Since you clearly haven't read the actual study itself, here it is: Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

And I think it should be taken with a grain of salt considering the study was from during the period of Chinese New Year in which mass amounts of travel and large family get together occur. Plus it's a small sample, plus it only looks at outbreaks of 3 or more people.

Plus it doesn't negate the fact that someone needs to bring the virus into the household for it to spread, meaning that patient 0 of the household obviously has to contract it outside of it.

Which is what lockdown measures are used to control for.
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Cool. A Chinese study from before April, from a country who welded people in their homes.

I'll give it the requisite attention it deserves - it showed 80%

PS - this is where you should have put LMFAO.
 
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kb said:
Cool. A Chinese study from before April, from a country who welded people in their homes.

I'll give it the requisite attention it deserves.

PS - this is where you should have put LMFAO.
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That's the study that you linked me! That's the study your "source" was using
 
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