Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[hfman]

Lmfao.

1) that's a conspiracy site, and I don't think you should believe that I'm about to take seriously anything from it

what if someone told you a year ago that a major virus was about to hit the entire planet and that we would all be wearing masks, schools would close, sports would shut down, stores would close and we would wouldn't be allowed out of our own homes?

Would you take THAT seriously?

No, you would call it a crazy "conspiracy theory"



start thinking for yourself my friend....

 

[Pink Mist]

It's not, but OK

See for yourself. Go to the source you used, click footnote 5 regarding BC saying 80% of transmission occurs in the household and see what happens

 

[kb]

See for yourself. Go to the source you used, click footnote 5 regarding BC saying 80% of transmission occurs in the household and see what happens

"Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases."

 

[Pink Mist]

"Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases."

Yes, and I addressed this already if you read what I said instead of dismissing your own source.

 

[kb]

Yes, and I addressed this already if you read what I said instead of dismissing your own source.

I wasn't dismissing the source as much as I was dismissing your interpretation of such.

I guess you stay home and fight on the internet for a living? Some of us work, so we need to sleep.

 

[Pink Mist]

what if someone told you a year ago that a major virus was about to hit the entire planet and that we would all be wearing masks, schools would close, sports would shut down, stores would close and we would wouldn't be allowed out of our own homes?

Would you take THAT seriously?

No, you would call it a crazy "conspiracy theory"



start thinking for yourself my friend....

Well considering this conspiracy article can't even get the basic facts right and loves to misquote people, I'll continue thinking for myself and not trust this site.

 

[kb]

what if someone told you a year ago that a major virus was about to hit the entire planet and that we would all be wearing masks, schools would close, sports would shut down, stores would close and we would wouldn't be allowed out of our own homes?

Would you take THAT seriously?

No, you would call it a crazy "conspiracy theory"



start thinking for yourself my friend....

Not possible.....he's jumping boards to fight this.

 

[hfman]

we have literally been living through a "conspiracy theory" these past 10 months.

how anyone can discard any alternate idea from now on as a "conspiracy theory" is baffling

 

[Pink Mist]

I wasn't dismissing the source as much as I was dismissing your interpretation of such.

I guess you stay home and fight on the internet for a living? Some of us work, so we need to sleep.

You know we can see when you edit your comments here, right?

But yeah sure, we'll say you telling me that that study wasn't from your article and then dismissing the study (your own source) because it came from China, and then you editing all your comments after I proved the study was from your source as a "difference in interpretation".

 

[kb]

You know we can see when you edit your comments here, right?

But yeah sure, we'll say you telling me that that study wasn't from your article and then dismissing the study (your own source) because it came from China, and then you editing all your comments after I proved the study was from your source as a "difference in interpretation".

I don't see where I dismissed it, but OK. I was saying I believe it, and the edits were to reflect that....but....OK

Where are your facts again? Can't see it in any post of yours anywhere.

 

[kb]

we have literally been living through a "conspiracy theory" these past 10 months.

how anyone can discard any alternate idea from now on as a "conspiracy theory" is baffling

Yup, agreed.

 

[stealth1]

"Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79·9%), followed by transport (108; 34·0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases."

By your logic since the majority of cases come from home, nobody should be having anyone visit their home. People should only go home to sleep and in separate rooms.

 

[kb]

By your logic since the majority of cases come from home, nobody should be having anyone visit their home. People should only go home to sleep and in separate rooms.

Read the wording very carefully. Several times if needed.

80% of the SPREAD happens at home. And lockdowns essentially guarantee this. Where you are while infected and locked down only changes who gets infected. It doesn't stop anything.

 

[Gabriel426]

The only thing we should be concerned about is hospital capacity and deaths. The rest serves no purpose other than fear mongering. If this had proven to be far more deadly, than it has, then yes....trace away.

So far overall deaths are not up in Canada this year. That is not the hallmark of a pandemic..

Don’t you think it might be too late if the hospital numbers and deaths reach to a level of concern to begin a more and effective contact tracing protocols?

 

[4thline]

Read the wording very carefully. Several times if needed.

80% of the SPREAD happens at home. And lockdowns essentially guarantee this. Where you are while infected and locked down only changes who gets infected. It doesn't stop anything.

I too live with another family and spend zero time with mine while not in lockdown.

 

[PuckMagi]

Read the wording very carefully. Several times if needed.

80% of the SPREAD happens at home. And lockdowns essentially guarantee this. Where you are while infected and locked down only changes who gets infected. It doesn't stop anything.

I don't agree with this at all. If someone in your household catches COVID, it typically spreads to everyone else in the house because they all breath the same indoor air. If there is no lockdown, that doesn't change. With no lockdown, everyone in your house still catches it, but now you also might spread it to other people too.

With a lockdown, you're only spreading it to people in your house.

Without a lockdown, you still spread it to people in your house, but you also might spread it to people at your office, friends who come over to visit, people at an indoor restaurant if you go out to eat, etc.

 

[4thline]

I don't agree with this at all. If someone in your household catches COVID, it typically spreads to everyone else in the house because they all breath the same indoor air. If there is no lockdown, that doesn't change. With no lockdown, everyone in your house still catches it, but now you also might spread it to other people too.

With a lockdown, you're only spreading it to people in your house.

Without a lockdown, you still spread it to people in your house, but you also might spread it to people at your office, friends who come over to visit, people at an indoor restaurant if you go out to eat, etc.

Exactly, and then they will spread it in their home.

 

[justashadowof]

 

[stealth1]

That's basically what I get when people say to protect the vulnerable and let us do what we want.

 

[kb]

Exactly, and then they will spread it in their home.

0.1% of all cases originated in the mom and pop stores, restaurants, bars, and gyms that were closed down. So the numbers refute this.

But alarmist stuff makes for better reading than facts and numbers, I suppose.



Again.....lockdowns will not stop spread. There is no evidence to support this.

 

[Clark4Ever]

This is next to impossible to achieve. If you have 5 people in your house you are reliant on 4 other people making responsible decisions all day all da time. All it takes is one going to rink to skate, one going to gym to work out or one talking to popeye's driver for takeout and boom your house mates have it. Think about it there are many interactions each of us has every day. You have to stop talking, wear masks all da time and avoid people like da plague to be totally secure. I don't think it is at all realistic. Like I said it comes down to bad luck and just talking to someone who is asymptomatic. People who look sick well that one is easy you avoid avoid avoid.

Agreed. It's especially more difficult with older children living at home that are more difficult to control.

My main point though is that I think the government has been barking up the wrong tree in shutting down businesses to curb the spread of Covid.

 

[kb]

Agreed. It's especially more difficult with older children living at home that are more difficult to control.

My main point though is that I think the government has been barking up the wrong tree in shutting down businesses to curb the spread of Covid.

Exactly. The numbers agree with this.

 

[ToneDog]

0.1% of all cases originated in the mom and pop stores, restaurants, bars, and gyms that were closed down. So the numbers refute this.

But alarmist stuff makes for better reading than facts and numbers, I suppose.



Again.....lockdowns will not stop spread. There is no evidence to support this.

Not so sure. Reporter on radio yesterday said that a York U study showed clearly that it does. Of course that does not take into account the harm that it does to the mental health of many people. IMO stores should be allowed to remain open with limits set according to square footage of the shop. Blinding locking everything down is the lazy man's way and is not the answer.

Edit: Found a link:

Ontario lockdown successful in disrupting transmission of virus by shifting contact patterns | York Media Relations

TORONTO, Dec. 02, 2020 – Do COVID-19 interventions, such as lockdowns, physical distancing and business closures, actually work? York University researchers conducted a model-based analysis that found Ontario government measures had a substantial and positive effect on mitigating virus transmission.

 

[stealth1]

Agreed. It's especially more difficult with older children living at home that are more difficult to control.

My main point though is that I think the government has been barking up the wrong tree in shutting down businesses to curb the spread of Covid.

You guys make it out to sound like the whole province is shut down and all businesses are closed

 

[Pink Mist]

0.1% of all cases originated in the mom and pop stores, restaurants, bars, and gyms that were closed down. So the numbers refute this.

But alarmist stuff makes for better reading than facts and numbers, I suppose.



Again.....lockdowns will not stop spread. There is no evidence to support this.

If you actually read articles instead of just reading headlines you would know that 0.1% number relates only to retail stores, and it is a meaningless stat considering over 60% of the cases in Ontario have an unknown source of transmission. The number is very likely much higher.