Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[ULF_55]

You got to treat early with ivermectin

The FLCCC (frontline Covid care alliance) has an IMask+ protocol. Use it as a prophylaxis with D3,C, quercetin, zinc and melatonin or as an early treatment with different doses

Until the vaccine is available, if proven in a real study, this could be a temporary solution.

 

[Nineteen67]

Rioting in the dead of a Canadian winter? I doubt it

Nope, Al and TN, and yes, it’s cold here but people are fed up with the nonsense.
Two weeks to flatten the curve turned into don’t overwhelm hospitals.
We know who requires hospitalization for ( not with) CV19, so once they are vaccinated I’m done with it.

 

[nsleaf]

Don't have Christmas dinner with your family but do ride on a bus, subway, streetcar, taxi, Uber, Lyft.

17 years of research and development since the initial SARS outbreak: no vaccine approved. 1 year since COVID and several prospective vaccines are lining up to cash in.

The key sleight of hand is the asymptomatic infection/transmission claim. With this, healthy looking and functioning human beings can be treated as pariahs.

But why? Thats the key sleight of hand that you folks often omit in your diatribes of denial.

 

[Nineteen67]

Until the vaccine is available, if proven in a real study, this could be a temporary solution.

There is a study that should be published shortly. Without knowing how the conducted the study it’s impossible to know how good it is, but from the snippets I’ve seen they’ve have excellent results.
Of note - if you are a healthcare worker and just used PPE, infection rate of 58% ( masks don't work) but if you took the Ivermectin protocol, zero persons contracted the virus. This is a big trial as well with over 1000 patients.

 

[Golden_Jet]

There is a study that should be published shortly. ...

. This is a big trial as well with over 1000 patients.

So orders of magnitude smaller than the vaccine trials .

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I'm curious, how many people who won't take a COVID-19 vaccine will sign a Do Not Treat agreement if they get infected?

No problem. Please also forward the paperwork to opt out of paying taxes into the healthcare system at the same time. Oh and I'm going to need those tens of thousands of dollars I've paid into it over the last three decades, plus interest, after barely using it now that you're breaking the contract.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Still puzzles/baffles me that there is talk about mandating a vaccine for 14 million Ontarians when 1% of such population has tested positive for the virus in 9 months.

 

[justashadowof]

But why? Thats the key sleight of hand that you folks often omit in your diatribes of denial.

Diatribes of Denial? Is that the bluegrass jazz fusion trio from Bumwad, New Hampshire? Their showstopper is The People Will Believe Anything (If It Allows Them Act Superior).

 

[Nineteen67]

So orders of magnitude smaller than the vaccine trials .

Yes. And?

 

[justashadowof]

No problem. Please also forward the paperwork to opt out of paying taxes into the healthcare system at the same time. Oh and I'm going to need those tens of thousands of dollars I've paid into it over the last three decades, plus interest, after barely using it now that you're breaking the contract.

Spoiler alert: you can opt out of nothing.

 

[Pink Mist]

Still puzzles/baffles me that there is talk about mandating a vaccine for 14 million Ontarians when 1% of such population has tested positive for the virus in 9 months.

It still baffles me that people think covid isn't a big deal when 13 thousand Canadians have died from it

 

[Nineteen67]

It still baffles me that people think covid isn't a big deal when 13 thousand Canadians have died from it

From or with?

 

[Pink Mist]

From or with?

From covid

 

[justashadowof]

Funny thing about the word "denial". There is a group, I'll call them the Credulous, who love to use it because they think it has so much weight. The Credulous use it in conjunction with anointed experts, leaders, media and academia who they assume are honest actors. The issue to the other group, I'll call them the Out-Group, is that they have both experience and suspicions about the dishonesty, incompetence, malfeasance of these anointed experts, leaders, media and academia. The word "denial" holds no weight to the Out-Group because they see it for what it is: a rhetorical trick to "other" dissenters.

 

[stealth1]

The US just set a record for most deaths in one day yesterday. They had 3049 deaths due to Covid more then the 9/11 attacks. Yet many here keep saying Covid is no big deal. The US is proving daily that having no restrictions don't work.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Watching BBC news last night and talking head said something that seemed like BS but anyone heard otherwise ... Moderna and Pfizer actually developed their special vaccines in less than 2 days ... seems like BS to me but if so why da h*ll didn't we get this so so much quicker????????? so many have died for nothing ... it has been over 11 months apparently since these vaccines were DONE

 

[Nineteen67]

From covid

There must be a lot more sick people than I thought. I assume the death certs all say CV19 as the primary cause of death.

We report Covid “related” deaths which gives the dept of health a big brush.
So broad that terminally ill hospice patients with mets have been included in death counts.

 

[Golden_Jet]

There must be a lot more sick people than I thought. I assume the death certs all say CV19 as the primary cause of death.

We report Covid “related” deaths which gives the dept of health a big brush.
So broad that terminally ill hospice patients with mets have been included in death counts.

Maybe in your state.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Common Peel we got to do a better job of following rules ... talking to my doc neighbour for a minute last night and all our hospitals are completely full, all our emergency room stays are completely full and we have a couple ICU beds left ... special thanks to Halton for taking our ambulances past 2 days ... let's get a grip people our docs and nurses are burnt out .. leaving at 5 am and getting home if lucky by 11 pm maybe it is ridiculous ... we are now importing staff from other areas of province to help us out ... we are close to going to COMPLETE SHUTDOWN of everything as docs are now saying to Ford ... we are worse than Toronto now BY FAR

 

[Cypruss]

The point is not skipping trials, the point is if animal trials take three months, you cannot shorten it even if you have unlimited resources. Now I don’t know how long animals and human trials are usually for a vaccine, but I doubt it is within 9months.

Human trials need to be minimum 2 years, and can take up to 10 years to gather and be confident in the data. There has been one short phase, there are normally 3 phases, and often 4.

Basically, the rushed vaccines that are going into people now ARE the human "trials". No matter how much money you throw at something, you can't buy time. 2 months of human trials are not nearly enough time to see effects of the vaccine that can affect people.

I am wondering how the reporting is going to happen. Every day we get ad nauseum updates

Covid - Cases / ICU's / Deaths. Widely reported in all regions.

Can we please see:

Vaccinations - Reactions / Hospitalizations / Deaths. I have a feeling this information will not be provided to the consuming public.

I say this as the UK has advised that due to severe cases of allergic reactions, "Resuscitation facilities should be available at all times for vaccinations. Vaccination should only be carried out in facilities where resuscitation measures are available."

Potential Pfizer COVID vaccine allergic reactions should not make public "anxious"

I am not an anti-vaxxer, I am just concerned for the public and am not interested in being the Guinea Pig for this global experiment.

 

[ULF_55]

No problem. Please also forward the paperwork to opt out of paying taxes into the healthcare system at the same time. Oh and I'm going to need those tens of thousands of dollars I've paid into it over the last three decades, plus interest, after barely using it now that you're breaking the contract.

Be nice if I could get back the fees I've paid over the past 5 decades, especially insurance eh?

 

[ULF_55]

There must be a lot more sick people than I thought. I assume the death certs all say CV19 as the primary cause of death.

We report Covid “related” deaths which gives the dept of health a big brush.
So broad that terminally ill hospice patients with mets have been included in death counts.

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

 

[ULF_55]

Human trials need to be minimum 2 years, and can take up to 10 years to gather and be confident in the data. There has been one short phase, there are normally 3 phases, and often 4.

Basically, the rushed vaccines that are going into people now ARE the human "trials". No matter how much money you throw at something, you can't buy time. 2 months of human trials are not nearly enough time to see effects of the vaccine that can affect people.

I say this as the UK has advised that due to severe cases of allergic reactions, "Resuscitation facilities should be available at all times for vaccinations. Vaccination should only be carried out in facilities where resuscitation measures are available."

Potential Pfizer COVID vaccine allergic reactions should not make public "anxious"

I am not an anti-vaxxer, I am just concerned for the public and am not interested in being the Guinea Pig for this global experiment.

There is a reason you are asked to stick around for 10-15 minutes after getting the seasonal flu shot.
Some people have reactions.

Progress is great eh? Supercomputers can do the work in minutes that used to take days.

I'm all for progress, evolution may have escaped us, but we are making progress.

 

[Nineteen67]

The US just set a record for most deaths in one day yesterday. They had 3049 deaths due to Covid more then the 9/11 attacks. Yet many here keep saying Covid is no big deal. The US is proving daily that having no restrictions don't work.

Looks like the lockdown states aren’t doing so well.

12/09/20	TX	A	23081		273
12/09/20	IL	A	14613	13666	229
12/09/20	PA	A+	11762		220
12/09/20	CA	B	20243		196
12/09/20	CO	A	2933		149
12/09/20	NJ	A	17542	15674	116
12/09/20	AZ	A+	7081	6551	108
12/09/20	IA	A+	3021		102
12/09/20	NY	A	27404		97

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[Golden_Jet]

Looks like the lockdown states aren’t doing so well.

12/09/20	TX	A	23081		273
12/09/20	IL	A	14613	13666	229
12/09/20	PA	A+	11762		220
12/09/20	CA	B	20243		196
12/09/20	CO	A	2933		149
12/09/20	NJ	A	17542	15674	116
12/09/20	AZ	A+	7081	6551	108
12/09/20	IA	A+	3021		102
12/09/20	NY	A	27404		97

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

and per 100,000 capita all those worse than the ones haven't
States ranked by COVID-19 cases: Dec. 9. North Dakota has the most confirmed COVID-19 cases per 100,000 population of all U.S. states, while Vermont has the fewest, according to an analysis by The New York Times.