Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

[Nineteen67]

how does it not make sense.

pick any public event closed.

use our beloved Leafs. When they start, they won't be able to let fans in. So zero revenue. You think they won't jump at the chance of making revenue again?

take it down to a smaller level. Cinema's, restaurants, night clubs, every entertainment venue that is closed. You are comparing zero revenue currently to a potential way of opening and generating revenue.

Not sure why this doesn't make sense?

Because we are talking about when they open....when fans are allowed back the Leafs won’t care if you’re vaccinated. Why would they.

Take it smaller, I can go to any store or restaurants I want to right now, so next month they’re not going to change policy and only serve people that got vaccinated in Dec.
Why would they?

Once they tell us that those health care workers, LTC residents and vulnerable population that wanted the vaccination have received it, mask and distancing is over.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Because we are talking about when they open....when fans are allowed back the Leafs won’t care if you’re vaccinated. Why would they.

Take it smaller, I can go to any store or restaurants I want to right now, so next month they’re not going to change policy and only serve people that got vaccinated in Dec.
Why would they?

Once they tell us that those health care workers, LTC residents and vulnerable population that wanted the vaccination have received it, mask and distancing is over.

oh, we are talking about "when" they open...when will that be? Summer 2021? Fall 2021? There is a STRONG possibility (almost a guarantee at this point) that the point of opening will be either when 80% or more of population has received vaccination, or when they can guarantee all attendees have been vaccinated.

Like we have had stages in how we handle covid today, we will have stages for opening. There is strong expectation that the early stages of opening will be based on vaccination records. Trudeau will do anything and everything to incentivize getting vaccinated. You can bet on that.

I'm not sure where you reside, but I cannot go into a restaurant and enjoy a meal..only take one out with me.

Many high end restaurants aren't sacrificing the quality of their meals (and their reputation) by providing takeout. They want to open up. We have many customers that are closed, and would LOVE to open. Not all food lends to take out. (especially fine dining).

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't have a medical background so can't speak much on it and i did not read up on any article that says anything about these yet ; and I like to follow Einstein's model

I have been advised to take this for months by DR and pharmacists.


The bottom line most people don’t even get sick or very mild symptoms similar to a cold or flu. That varies but for the most healthy people will be fine.
If the vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus from shedding then young, healthy people shouldn’t even bother at this time. Concentrate on those benefit the most.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Once they tell us that those health care workers, LTC residents and vulnerable population that wanted the vaccination have received it, mask and distancing is over.

I believe you will be incorrect here...or at least the timeframe to get here.

For the sake of the economy, I hope you are right.

 

[Nineteen67]

oh, we are talking about "when" they open...when will that be? Summer 2021? Fall 2021? There is a STRONG possibility (almost a guarantee at this point) that the point of opening will be either when 80% or more of population has received vaccination, or when they can guarantee all attendees have been vaccinated.

Like we have had stages in how we handle covid today, we will have stages for opening. There is strong expectation that the early stages of opening will be based on vaccination records. Trudeau will do anything and everything to incentivize getting vaccinated. You can bet on that.

I'm not sure where you reside, but I cannot go into a restaurant and enjoy a meal..only take one out with me.

Many high end restaurants aren't sacrificing the quality of their meals (and their reputation) by providing takeout. They want to open up. We have many customers that are closed, and would LOVE to open. Not all food lends to take out. (especially fine dining).

Vaccines admin will be starting this weekend, I have a business trip to Mobile, AL planned in early Feb and I expect to be sitting at the hotel bar, after my meetings, watching a hockey game with other folks around.

I’m looking at Feb March for stadiums to open up. If I don’t get to go see spring training baseball in FL or AZ I’ll go up to Nashville or over to Oxford and watch some college baseball.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Vaccines admin will be starting this weekend, I have a business trip to Mobile, AL planned in early Feb and I expect to be sitting at the hotel bar, after my meetings, watching a hockey game with other folks around.

I’m looking at Feb March for stadiums to open up. If I don’t get to go see spring training baseball in FL or AZ I’ll go up to Nashville or over to Oxford and watch some college baseball.

that's all in the US. i'm a Tiger-Cat season ticket holder. think i'll be allowed in our stadium for home opener? June 24th, 2021?

if so, under what conditions? masks? no masks? vaccers only? free for all?

 

[kb]

Vaccines admin will be starting this weekend, I have a business trip to Mobile, AL planned in early Feb and I expect to be sitting at the hotel bar, after my meetings, watching a hockey game with other folks around.

I’m looking at Feb March for stadiums to open up. If I don’t get to go see spring training baseball in FL or AZ I’ll go up to Nashville or over to Oxford and watch some college baseball.

I hope that works. Vaccinate those at risk who want it, and let's get this thing opened back up. Pretty clear from this document that this would be the proper thing to do.

Government data shows lockdowns more deadly than COVID-19 | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms

 

[Gabriel426]

In some provinces they can (based on Acts at least).

Would they enact that act is another story.
I think if you take a poll today, most likely the majority of the people are in the will take the vaccine but not right away....if you force people to take it or else, you pretty much alienate majority of your population and it will be protests, unrests....
Point being the majority of the population is willing to get the vaccine, the push should not be take it or else, cash incentives....but rather to prove that it is safe.

 

[Nineteen67]

So a positive to this test is what is currently being called, counted, and treated like Covid. Here is the list of things it could be (courtesy of the test maker)

- Ebola
- SARS
- Covid 19
- Rabies
- Common Cold
- Hepatitus C
- Hepatitus E
- West Nile
- Polio
- Measles

You forgot - water- it tested positive
Performance Assessment of SARS-CoV-2 PCR Assays Developed by WHO Referral Laboratories
“The E Charité [Drosten] and N2 US CDC assays were positive for all specimens, including negative samples and negative controls (water)."

Some Hospitals got smart - test and test so they can use the high paying ICD 10 diagnostic codes.
In press release last week, MA Gen said that 30% of their CV19+ patients are there for some other reason than Covid. Thats Harvard's hospital. They just have a positive test and are not being treated. This is consistent with the data from ND and IA who are the only states to break this out in their data.

 

[Pink Mist]

So a positive to this test is what is currently being called, counted, and treated like Covid. Here is the list of things it could be (courtesy of the test maker)

- Ebola
- SARS
- Covid 19
- Rabies
- Common Cold
- Hepatitus C
- Hepatitus E
- West Nile
- Polio
- Measles

Those are clear fakes in those photos. Look at the spelling, grammar, and differences in font

 

[Nineteen67]

I hope that works. Vaccinate those at risk who want it, and let's get this thing opened back up. Pretty clear from this document that this would be the proper thing to do.

Government data shows lockdowns more deadly than COVID-19 | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms

They only things I do differently are: wear a mask shopping, smaller gathering at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I dont go to sporting events, church or the occasional chance to sit at a bar.

I do that to protect those that are vulnerable. Once they have the opportunity to protect themselves I fully expect to go back to normal.

 

[Nineteen67]

that's all in the US. i'm a Tiger-Cat season ticket holder. think i'll be allowed in our stadium for home opener? June 24th, 2021?

if so, under what conditions? masks? no masks? vaccers only? free for all?

The T’cats don’t care. Why would they?

 

[Canadian Finn]

I'm not sure what you mean by that?

Bob Young, owner of the Tiger-Cats, doesn't want his stadium sold out, and full? (like it is almost all the time). Of course he does.

So knowing that they want to have full attendance, under what conditions do you feel they'll be allowed (by the government) to have fans in their stadium on their opening date of June 24th?

I'm not sure what you mean by T'cats don't care? Of course they do!

 

[kb]

Because we are talking about when they open....when fans are allowed back the Leafs won’t care if you’re vaccinated. Why would they.

Take it smaller, I can go to any store or restaurants I want to right now, so next month they’re not going to change policy and only serve people that got vaccinated in Dec.
Why would they?

Once they tell us that those health care workers, LTC residents and vulnerable population that wanted the vaccination have received it, mask and distancing is over.

And if they don't allow you, then it is unconstitutional - and very obviously simply a punitive measure, and not at all about a virus.

 

[Polaris1010]

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-09/covid-19-was-in-italy-in-late-november-2019-new-report-shows

The science story is kind of interesting.

 

[slozo]

They only things I do differently are: wear a mask shopping, smaller gathering at Thanksgiving and Christmas, I dont go to sporting events, church or the occasional chance to sit at a bar.

I do that to protect those that are vulnerable. Once they have the opportunity to protect themselves I fully expect to go back to normal.

Vulnerable people already have the opportunity to protect themselves. They can stay in and decide not to come into contact with many strangers.

You aren't protecting anyone - you are merely virtue signalling, and restricting your own rights and freedoms.

This whole thing is a total farce, and if you haven't woken up to it yet, I can only shake my head.

 

[ULF_55]

I have been advised to take this for months by DR and pharmacists.


The bottom line most people don’t even get sick or very mild symptoms similar to a cold or flu. That varies but for the most healthy people will be fine.
If the vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus from shedding then young, healthy people shouldn’t even bother at this time. Concentrate on those benefit the most.

I don't really think young people are going to have to make that decision for a while yet.

We know the first doses are going to front line health care workers who are needed to care for everyone else, and then it will be the long term care staff and residents.
Then there are 6.8 million Canadians over the age of 65 (some in LTC), add immune compromised.

By the time people under 50, young people, have to make a choice there will be a poopload of data available.

 

[Nineteen67]

Vulnerable people already have the opportunity to protect themselves. They can stay in and decide not to come into contact with many strangers.

You aren't protecting anyone - you are merely virtue signalling, and restricting your own rights and freedoms.

This whole thing is a total farce, and if you haven't woken up to it yet, I can only shake my head.

I don’t visit my elderly family members, I don’t get to spend time with the grandparents at my sons baseball games , some of which I’ve known for 15 yrs.

Other than those few things I’m full bore and have been since May.

If they don’t open up fully in Feb there will be riots.

 

[ULF_55]

Vulnerable people already have the opportunity to protect themselves. They can stay in and decide not to come into contact with many strangers.

You aren't protecting anyone - you are merely virtue signalling, and restricting your own rights and freedoms.

This whole thing is a total farce, and if you haven't woken up to it yet, I can only shake my head.

Alberta Health working with Calgary facility after deliberate COVID-19 exposure by visitor

The issue isn't whether or not they can stay aware from strangers, it is how close the infection is to everyone.

Infectious people knowingly or unknowingly spreading the disease is the issue.

 

[ULF_55]

I'm curious, how many people who won't take a COVID-19 vaccine will sign a Do Not Treat agreement if they get infected?

 

[Nineteen67]

I'm curious, how many people who won't take a COVID-19 vaccine will sign a Do Not Treat agreement if they get infected?

Ivermectin and HCQ are safe and have been prescribed for years. Why would you do that?
Anyone that hasn’t had a flu vaccine and wants this should go to the end of the line

 

[ULF_55]

Ivermectin and HCQ are safe and have been prescribed for years. Why would you do that?
Anyone that hasn’t had a flu vaccine and wants this should go to the end of the line

Fair enough.
It would be nice to have options.


Ivermectin in Adults With Severe COVID-19. - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

tudy Type :	Interventional (Clinical Trial)
Estimated Enrollment :	100 participants
Allocation:	Randomized
Intervention Model:	Parallel Assignment
Intervention Model Description:	Arm #1: 50 patients with routine care offered in the hospital plus ivermectin 400 µg/kg orally in a single dose. Arm #2: 50 patients with routine care offered in the hospital plus placebo in a single dose.
Masking:	Quadruple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator, Outcomes Assessor)
Masking Description:	Once the participant consents, staff will collect relevant demographic and clinical data from the clinical chart and a consecutive code from 001 to 100 will be assigned to each in order of arrival. 100 vials of ivermectin or placebo will be stored in the pharmaceutical service with a randomly assigned number from 001 to 100. After placement of medical order, the qualified nursing staff will dispense ivermectin or placebo. Blinded study physicians will carry on daily medical evaluation. Neither the researchers collecting data nor the analyzers will be aware of the patients' treatment arm. To achieve blinding, a certified pharmaceutical laboratory produced a placebo identical in color, physical form, sensory perception (appearance, smell, and taste), packaging, and labeling to ivermectin.
Primary Purpose:	Treatment
Official Title:	Ivermectin in Adults With Severe COVID-19. Double-blind Randomized Clinical Trial
Estimated Study Start Date :	October 2020
Estimated Primary Completion Date :	February 2021
Estimated Study Completion Date :	February 2021

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[Pink Mist]

I don’t visit my elderly family members, I don’t get to spend time with the grandparents at my sons baseball games , some of which I’ve known for 15 yrs.

Other than those few things I’m full bore and have been since May.

If they don’t open up fully in Feb there will be riots.

Rioting in the dead of a Canadian winter? I doubt it

 

[justashadowof]

Don't have Christmas dinner with your family but do ride on a bus, subway, streetcar, taxi, Uber, Lyft.

17 years of research and development since the initial SARS outbreak: no vaccine approved. 1 year since COVID and several prospective vaccines are lining up to cash in.

The key sleight of hand is the asymptomatic infection/transmission claim. With this, healthy looking and functioning human beings can be treated as pariahs.

 

[Nineteen67]

You got to treat early with ivermectin

The FLCCC (frontline Covid care alliance) has an IMask+ protocol. Use it as a prophylaxis with D3,C, quercetin, zinc and melatonin or as an early treatment with different doses

Fair enough.
It would be nice to have options.


Ivermectin in Adults With Severe COVID-19. - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

tudy Type :	Interventional (Clinical Trial)
Estimated Enrollment :	100 participants
Allocation:	Randomized
Intervention Model:	Parallel Assignment
Intervention Model Description:	Arm #1: 50 patients with routine care offered in the hospital plus ivermectin 400 µg/kg orally in a single dose. Arm #2: 50 patients with routine care offered in the hospital plus placebo in a single dose.
Masking:	Quadruple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator, Outcomes Assessor)
Masking Description:	Once the participant consents, staff will collect relevant demographic and clinical data from the clinical chart and a consecutive code from 001 to 100 will be assigned to each in order of arrival. 100 vials of ivermectin or placebo will be stored in the pharmaceutical service with a randomly assigned number from 001 to 100. After placement of medical order, the qualified nursing staff will dispense ivermectin or placebo. Blinded study physicians will carry on daily medical evaluation. Neither the researchers collecting data nor the analyzers will be aware of the patients' treatment arm. To achieve blinding, a certified pharmaceutical laboratory produced a placebo identical in color, physical form, sensory perception (appearance, smell, and taste), packaging, and labeling to ivermectin.
Primary Purpose:	Treatment
Official Title:	Ivermectin in Adults With Severe COVID-19. Double-blind Randomized Clinical Trial
Estimated Study Start Date :	October 2020
Estimated Primary Completion Date :	February 2021
Estimated Study Completion Date :	February 2021

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