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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

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Jojalu said:
Today, the Physicians of Canada tried to explain that by looking at the deaths, or lack of for some people can't be the true measure..

For every 1 out of 100 people that die, 11 become hospitalized, and around 15 have long term serious health issues including scar tissue on major organs, including heart, lungs, kidneys.

There also is the cognative deteriation of the brain, plus a variety of other ailments.

For those who believe that it is just a matter of live or recover 100%, that is not the case.

Now, full lockdowns can and probably should be questioned, as it seems ridiculous to shut down smaller operations while we jam into big box stores..

Sadly, Sweden and South Korea and starting to get overwhelmed. The virus can't really be contained but and we do need some mitigation, but we also should have been told the truth from the beginning.
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How many of those people suffering from organ and brain deteriorarion were put on ventilators?
 
kb said:
Of course, I have to be a conspiracy theorist.....

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Kory told the AP that he stands by the comments he made at the hearing, saying that he was not trying to promote the drug but the data around it. In June, Australian researchers published the findings of a study that found ivermectin inhibited the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting, which is not the same as testing the drug on humans or animals. Following the study, the FDA released a letter out of concern warning consumers not to self-medicate with ivermectin products intended for animals. “It is a far cry from an in vitro lab replication to helping humans,” said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection prevention at the University of Wisconsin-Madison Hospital.
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His evidence is based on lab tests on cell cultures and circumstantial evidence. Just because a doctor says something doesnt mean other doctors are wrong. He himself said he just wants further research into it, not that it should be some immediate prophylactic drug that was available this whole time that couldve prevented people from dying.

You are not a conspiracy theorist, just misinformed and lack the effort to actually research the information you propagate.
 
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Jojalu said:
Today, the Physicians of Canada tried to explain that by looking at the deaths, or lack of for some people can't be the true measure..

For every 1 out of 100 people that die, 11 become hospitalized, and around 15 have long term serious health issues including scar tissue on major organs, including heart, lungs, kidneys.

There also is the cognative deteriation of the brain, plus a variety of other ailments.

For those who believe that it is just a matter of live or recover 100%, that is not the case.

Now, full lockdowns can and probably should be questioned, as it seems ridiculous to shut down smaller operations while we jam into big box stores..

Sadly, Sweden and South Korea and starting to get overwhelmed. The virus can't really be contained but and we do need some mitigation, but we also should have been told the truth from the beginning.
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This sums up my feelings as well.
 
nsleaf said:
I see the snake oil salesman is at it again. What I joke.
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I don't personally think you are a joke, but if you want to call yourself one....

Note that I while may not agree with what I hear from a lot of you, I will fight tooth and nail for your right to say it.

How about you guys?
 
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stealth1 said:
I wonder if a lot of the lower death rate in Ontario now has to do with that the majority of cases are in people under 40 now.

IMO now is the time to start doing studies on long term affects of Covid. Seen as the majority of people under 40 don't die from Covid, see if there is any after affects.
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The "True" impact of getting covid and then surviving will be known few years down the road whether it is just another virus or recovery from covid was not the same as recovery from common cold/flu
 
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Confucius said:
you can't have anybody over in a lockdown, but you can lineup for unnecessary things, this is my whole point.
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At home when you are with family/friends; you don't wear a mask and relax. If you are asymptomatic carrier of the virus you will spread it to your family and unknowingly be the reason some of your family member end up in a hospital or worst dies.

When outside you are wearing masks, social distancing and hopefully in general people are more vigilant than relaxed compared to when you are at home

#ThereIsADifference
 
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ULF_55 said:
15% of capacity right now in Alberta.

And people keep talking about line-ups, but the line-ups are not supposed to be shoulder to shoulder they are line-ups with masked people 6 or more feet apart.

Again, I think they should extend the hours of operation, as the same number of people will want to shop, but if they extend the hours you can space them out.

The other thing in Alberta is the government are suggesting everyone work from home unless they have to physically be at a location to work. I'm not sure if there is any intention of policing this.
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They can plan it out by allowing certain postal codes to shop on certain days/time; people who want to shop can work it out with their employers; businesses can continue with their business while things calm down.

Only for 1 freakin' year; only thing this might be bad for are the ones who do last minute shopping (like myself hehe)
 
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Oh snap...someone has good lawyers

Etobicoke BBQ restaurant allowed to reopen after being shuttered for flouting COVID-19 lockdown rules

More details at the link, but it isn't like he got off on the charges.

Skelly, 33, was charged with multiple offences, including one count of attempting to obstruct police, one count of mischief under, one count of failing to comply with a continued order under the Reopening Ontario Act, and one count of failing to leave when directed under the Trespass to Property Act.

He was released on bail the following day under numerous conditions.

In a news release issued Monday afternoon, Toronto officials said that the medical officer of health has lifted the requirement under the Health Protection and Promotion Act that ordered the closure of Adamson Barbecue.

“The lifting of the requirements of the Section 22 order would permit the Adamson Etobicoke location to open for takeout, delivery, or drive through only as allowed for under the lockdown regulation, subject to compliance with the City of Toronto's business licensing bylaw and passing a DineSafe inspection,” the news release said.
“Should that location defy the restraining order and the lockdown regulation and open for indoor and/or outdoor dining, the owner, the business, and/or its employees and agents could face contempt of court findings.
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Walshy7 said:
haha so he achieved zero? Good on him sucking all those people into giving him money.

he’s allowed to do exactly what he could’ve have done, as long as he gets a f***ing licence.

anyway good luck to the bbq man, he saw an opportunity to fleece a gullible group of people and went for it.
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he made the city look like a joke especially since he can be open tomorrow now
 
Walshy7 said:
haha so he achieved zero? Good on him sucking all those people into giving him money.

he’s allowed to do exactly what he could’ve have done, as long as he gets a f***ing licence.

anyway good luck to the bbq man, he saw an opportunity to fleece a gullible group of people and went for it.
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Still remember someone in one of these threads saying they donated $300 to him. Can't imagine bragging about getting grifted so bad lmao
 
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Sens said:
he made the city look like a joke especially since he can be open tomorrow now
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he could have been open this whole doing exactly what he will be doing tomorrow and had he not made a fuss he wouldn’t need to get a licence either. Which is a whole other issue with this clown operating an unlicensed restaurant.

this isn’t the win your mental gymnastics is trying to spin it as
 
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stealth1 said:
Not really. He can be open for takeout like EVERY OTHER RESTAURANT IN THE GTA.
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meh made the city look like a joke and made 350K from people who supported his cause

especially when Toronto is desperate for food banks

the PR makes Toronto look terrible
 
Sens said:
meh made the city look like a joke and made 350K from people who supported his cause

especially when Toronto is desperate for food banks

the PR makes Toronto look terrible
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there is only one reason you are trying so hard to make it seem bbq man won here....

you donated to snake oil fund didn’t you. Be honest it’s alright sometimes you get scammed man.
 
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PromisedLand said:
From the article:

The city is allowing a Toronto restaurant previously shuttered after defying provincial lockdown orders to reopen in order to provide takeout and delivery services—but only after the owner obtains a proper business licence.

CONTEXT matters!

f***ing getting sick of agenda based posts without context
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The further context I've heard, is that he always had a business licence.
It was revoked by authorities, for contravening the lockdown dictates, and then they stated it as if he was shut down because he didn't have a licence - a hilarious and devious way to try and turn public opinion against him.

I haven't confirmed that personally, but I'd be interested in knowing the truth.
 
slozo said:
The further context I've heard, is that he always had a business licence.
It was revoked by authorities, for contravening the lockdown dictates, and then they stated it as if he was shut down because he didn't have a licence - a hilarious and devious way to try and turn public opinion against him.

I haven't confirmed that personally, but I'd be interested in knowing the truth.
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I could care less on if he had a license or not. He is still in the wrong by letting people dine in when only takeout is allowed.
 
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stealth1 said:
I could care less on if he had a license or not. He is still in the wrong by letting people dine in when only takeout is allowed.
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Especially since as a BBQ restaurant without a liquor license and limited in person dining, he runs a business almost ideally set up for takeout and delivery in a pandemic
 
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PromisedLand said:
At home when you are with family/friends; you don't wear a mask and relax. If you are asymptomatic carrier of the virus you will spread it to your family and unknowingly be the reason some of your family member end up in a hospital or worst dies.

When outside you are wearing masks, social distancing and hopefully in general people are more vigilant than relaxed compared to when you are at home

#ThereIsADifference
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you wear your mask inside your home?
 
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