Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[Confucius]

They aren't picking and choosing. They can't close everything. The businesses that sell groceries and have a pharmacy have to be open cause people need to eat and get medication. Letting the people decide is a bad idea. People already can't follow simple guidelines as it is.

Did I mention groceries? Beer, coffee, donuts, burgers, pizza, etc. Ok I guess technically they are all food. They aren't necessary though.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is my opinion as well. Close everything down or don't close anything at all.

The only thing you do is stay away from the vulnerable and try protect them as best as possible.

The health authorities should have listed the most vulnerable by age and disease and hammered that message from day one. Rather than these stupid mask mandates they should have warnings and education about who to protect and how to protect them.

 

[Nineteen67]

Retail, restaurants and schools are open. Outside of the GTA, everything is open. People do get Covid in public just it spreads more at home cause PEOPLE LET THEIR GUARD DOWN AT HOME. Its not rocket science to understand any of this.

they let their guard down? Seriously. Leave this subject alone

 

[Clark4Ever]

Exactly. They keep setting daily records for deaths in one day.

The same thing can be said for many other countries as well in recent weeks despite the implementation of lockdowns in those countries.

 

[stealth1]

Did I mention groceries? Beer, coffee, donuts, burgers, pizza, etc. Ok I guess technically they are all food. They aren't necessary though.

Aren't they only open for takeout only now? They shouldn't be open right now if they are in a lockdown area. I thought we only had to babysit little kids but I guess adults are no better.

 

[stealth1]

The same thing can be said for many other countries as well in recent weeks despite the implementation of lockdowns in those countries.

It all has to do with the fact people aren't taking the same precautions at home as they do in public. I'm not saying wear masks at home but limit how many different people you invite over.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Retail, restaurants and schools are open. Outside of the GTA, everything is open. People do get Covid in public just it spreads more at home cause PEOPLE LET THEIR GUARD DOWN AT HOME. Its not rocket science to understand any of this.

I just have to ask you...do you where masks when at home?...If not...why are you asking everyone else to do that? It's gotten to the point that because most of these new ideas from our leaders are useless pretty much across the board..they are at the point of blaming the public so much that they are being shamed if they don't walk around their house with a mask on....it's comical...

 

[Clark4Ever]

It all has to do with the fact people aren't taking the same precautions at home as they do in public. I'm not saying wear masks at home but limit how many different people you invite over.

I agree, and that's precisely why mass lockdowns are largely ineffective. Community spread is being driven primarily by private gatherings, not small businesses.

 

[ULF_55]

I live in my Calgary, here's my opinion of what's happening.

Covid was far less ramped in western Canada during the first wave. Eastern USA got hit hard which led to spread in Quebec and Ontario and a lot of deaths. We did a lockdown in Alberta for about 2 months with wild projections of cases and deaths. By the end of summer we had hardly any deaths and people stopped taking the virus all that seriously. People let their guard down and now we are getting a far worse second wave.

And that is why Kenny was forced into the latest restrictions.

Some cities and Alberta Health kept asking people to voluntarily restrict their number of contacts.

Kenny finally relented and imposed the restrictions.


Updated December 12, 2020
Preventing the spread of the coronavirus - Harvard Health

 

[stealth1]

I just have to ask you...do you where masks when at home?...If not...why are you asking everyone else to do that? It's gotten to the point that because most of these new ideas from our leaders are useless pretty much across the board..they are at the point of blaming the public so much that they are being shamed if they don't walk around their house with a mask on....it's comical...

I am not saying wear a mask at home. What I am saying is many feel they are safe at home so they have see no problem inviting people over. That's what I mean when I say people let their guard down.

 

[Mess]

It all has to do with the fact people aren't taking the same precautions at home as they do in public. I'm not saying wear masks at home but limit how many different people you invite over.

Limit the # of people outside your immediate family that resides at the location to Zero.

While that is not ideal particularly this time of year and all, it the best way to keep loved ones and extended family safe to have a great Christmas in 2021.

 

[Confucius]

It all has to do with the fact people aren't taking the same precautions at home as they do in public. I'm not saying wear masks at home but limit how many different people you invite over.

you can't have anybody over in a lockdown, but you can lineup for unnecessary things, this is my whole point.

 

[ULF_55]

I just have to ask you...do you where masks when at home?...If not...why are you asking everyone else to do that? It's gotten to the point that because most of these new ideas from our leaders are useless pretty much across the board..they are at the point of blaming the public so much that they are being shamed if they don't walk around their house with a mask on....it's comical...

We don't wear masks at home.
We wore masks in public places before it was mandatory.
There have been no directions here to wear masks at home.
I dislike wearing masks.

I just do something that is reasonable. I don't wear my mask while driving and I only drive with my family. I don the mask when I am going to be in contact with people outside my immediate family.

I don't think this violates my rights as a human being. Of course I'm not overly concerned about it there are so many more important things to worry about than whether or not I have to wear a mask. It is such a minor thing to me.

 

[The Podium]

Huh......wasn't this....naw.

In Italy, the Council of State says YES to hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid-19

Do you read what you post?

"The continuing uncertainty about the therapeutic efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, declared by Aifa to justify its continued evaluation, evaluation in randomized clinical trials - is not a sufficient legal reason to justify the unreasonable suspension of its use on the Italian territory by treating physicians." [...]
'The choice of whether or not to use the drug, in a situation of doubt and opposition in the scientific community, on the basis of non-unequivocal clinical data, on its effectiveness at the initial stage of the disease only, must therefore be handed over to the decision-making autonomy and responsibility of the individual physician in science and conscience and with the obvious informed consent of each patient, without prejudice to the constant and attentive supervision of the doctor who prescribe it.' ​

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First you posted a publication that has received a lot of criticism for posting unsubstantiated claims. Second, the article basically says Italy has allowed it to be prescribed at the doctors discretion despite no evidence to suggest that it works and basically warns them not too without full consent of the patient with recognition that there is no scientific basis for its effectiveness.

This is interesting......is this not worth following up on? Much safer and more effective than any vaccine.

The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro - ScienceDirect

Invermectin is mostly a medication used in animals and all the clinical studies I have read say that it only works during incubation period and it is meant to minimize the duration of the illness, not control the symptoms.

Basically saying if you test positive but havent shown symptoms take it and you might be sick for a shorter duration. Doesnt seem all that useful to me.

The paper you linked basically says it was shown to be effective in vitro meaning in a test tube.

The guy in the video is also breaking one of the big rules in medicine by speaking in absolutes. He cannot guarantee you will not get sick, not a single drug guarantees 100% certainty and for that reason alone I am a skeptical.

Just curious, are you at all involved in health care? or just relaying poorly cited resources?

 

[stealth1]

you can't have anybody over in a lockdown, but you can lineup for unnecessary things, this is my whole point.

I get what you are saying. There is a difference in having people over and being in public in a lineup. In public everyone wears a mask and does social distancing as best as possible.

When you have people over I'm sure you aren't wearing masks and are much closer together then 6ft. I'm not saying wear masks at home. Just showing the difference. I don't understand why people get that.

 

[Sens]

I get what you are saying. There is a difference in having people over and being in public in a lineup. In public everyone wears a mask and does social distancing as best as possible.

When you have people over I'm sure you aren't wearing masks and are much closer together then 6ft. I'm not saying wear masks at home. Just showing the difference. I don't understand why people get that.

send your kids to school to sit with 20 other kids

if your a teacher you can teach but can’t see your parents for Christmas... stupid lol

 

[ULF_55]

send your kids to school to sit with 20 other kids

if your a teacher you can teach but can’t see your parents for Christmas... stupid lol

From what I've heard, teachers are high on priority lists for the vaccine.

Empty desks: Coronavirus robs US classrooms of teachers

 

[stealth1]

send your kids to school to sit with 20 other kids

if your a teacher you can teach but can’t see your parents for Christmas... stupid lol

Its not stupid. Huhuhuh.

There is a difference in public settings and in people's homes. At school most kids are wearing masks and social distancing. When you visit your parents that doesn't happen. Why else is the spread at home more then in public.

I don't get why many of you can't see the difference?

 

[Sens]

I’m literally watching the Canada Health minister spin how Canada is getting pushed back to the line on the vaccines

and they just got the Q and A short

Canada also does not have an IT System that is instrumental to vaccine roll out and is trying to order one

 

[cbbb25]

send your kids to school to sit with 20 other kids

if your a teacher you can teach but can’t see your parents for Christmas... stupid lol

You and I don't agree on a lot but we agree here. Ive never understood the crowd that says zero people should be allowed over but don't forget to send your kid to school, you go to work, go to Wal-mart ect..

Completely different question and I have zero knowledge of the flu. But reading yesterdays posts, are flu cases down because people that feel remotely sick are staying home. while covid individuals sometimes don't show any symptoms. I had 8 people over for a Christmas party (orange zone) but in 2019 someone might have come with a light cold or headache and said nah not drinking much woke up not feeling 100% (exposing us to flu/cold) but now that same person would cancel and or we would say man you've got to leave. while someone with covid could have possibly been over and shown no symptoms, hence the spread.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

why I harp on it because it is beyond silly picking and choosing who gets locked down. I've always said it's all or nothing. If the government is going to deem trivial things like buying beer a necessity. How can anybody take their plan seriously? It's either a danger or it's not. Open it all up and as you say let the people decide if they want to risk covid for a coffee.

I always assumed the alcohol stores were deemed essential because of alcoholism. I would have a hard time just stopping drinking, can't imagine how that would go for a hardcore alcoholic. Maybe they knew it would be a bigger public health problem than Covid ever could be.

 

[ULF_55]

I get what you are saying. There is a difference in having people over and being in public in a lineup. In public everyone wears a mask and does social distancing as best as possible.

When you have people over I'm sure you aren't wearing masks and are much closer together then 6ft. I'm not saying wear masks at home. Just showing the difference. I don't understand why people get that.

Well, in Alberta you can't have people over.

New restrictions only household members can be in your house, PERIOD.

Exception, people who live alone can have 2 contacts, and only the same 2 contacts in their home.

 

[stealth1]

Well, in Alberta you can't have people over.

New restrictions only household members can be in your house, PERIOD.

Exception, people who live alone can have 2 contacts, and only the same 2 contacts in their home.

That's what is suggested here in hopes people will do it voluntarily.

 

[4thline]

you can't have anybody over in a lockdown, but you can lineup for unnecessary things, this is my whole point.

And it's a garbage point, and the reason we have what would be unnecessary restrictions causing people financial hardship in place.

Having people in your house is significantly more likely to result in spread than those unnecessary things.

 

[stealth1]

And it's a garbage point, and the reason we have what would be unnecessary restrictions causing people financial hardship in place.

Having people in your house is significantly more likely to result in spread than those unnecessary things.

I don't understand why people can't see that. I think the big reason for rising cases is now that the weather is colder people are meeting indoors more then outdoors. So those people who were getting together with family and friends outdoors in the summer are continuing to do it indoors now. Now they are spreading Covid. Sometimes I believe with out even knowing it.

What makes it worse is that so many can't see the difference in lining up at business versus having people visiting your home.