Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[stealth1]

So why don’t you care less then? Life’s a lot easier when you’re not worried about saving everyone else. Save your energy for you and those you care about and do your best to protect them.

You’re catching on.

The part you don't get is the quicker cases get back to summer level these lockdowns would end and some sense of normalcy can return. I am not trying to save everyone else, I want this to end someday. The more people take precautions and limit social interaction the quicker numbers go down.

People here and many I know personally don't look at it that way. Its turned into a lot of infighting which helps no one. We all want this to end but seeing people flocking to malls this weekend shows nobody wants to do anything about it.

This is how my family has lived since this started. We do groceries once a week, and add in Christmas shopping with that now. Still go out to eat just not as often as we used to. Outside of that I go to work and spend most of my free time at home. If we all just limited our social interaction businesses would still be open and the spread wouldn't be a high as it is now.

 

[stealth1]

I tend to have empathy for the people that are still alive, rather than the deceased since you know, THEY ARE DEAD

Getting lectured about empathy from people that talk about removing people's livelihoods, rights and civil liberties like it's nothing more than a minor inconvenience is ah, interesting

I'm going to lay some knowledge on you, people die
Shocking stuff I know but we haven't found a way to stop death yet



A breakdown of cause of death year to year would be interesting, I wonder how much our change of circumstances and behaviors has changed causes of death in 2020

When you take into account population growth it doesn't look like deaths are up but that would make an interesting comparison imo

Had we just limited our social interaction and wore masks from the beginning we wouldn't be in this mess. I will keep blaming a lot of this on people. I will spell it out for all of you.

FOR A VIRUS TO SPREAD IT NEEDS PEOPLE. If you limit social interaction it lowers the chance of the virus spreading. Instead people are going to people and aren't interested anymore.

 

[kb]

 

[stealth1]

ItS cAuSe ThEy HaVe LiMiTeD cOnTaCt. You need to have been in contact with an infected person for more then 15 minutes.

 

[Nineteen67]

Its honestly disgusting how little empathy many have for those that have died from Covid.
"Gee only 250,000 more died then normal, dddduuuuhhh why we have measures to protect people. Uuuummmm dddduuuuhhh"

Every day I hate people more and more. I'm at the point the only people I care about is me and my family. The rest of the world could all get sick I could care less. Everyone is that way.

I get the virus is going to spread but we were doing a decent job keeping numbers low. The virus needs people for it to spread. I would hope people would understand that the less interaction with people the less chance of spreading. Instead people have to people.

Some died from Covid, some died withCovid, some died and had Covid at some point and others died and just had a positive test for SARS CoV2 and were asymptomatic.

My uncle was considered a Covid death 60 days after his death. He died just before Easter due to a stroke. His daughter tested positive and through contract tracing the determined he was potentially exposed.
He was 68, overweight, and didn’t take his BP or statin meds.

 

[Nineteen67]

Had we just limited our social interaction and wore masks from the beginning we wouldn't be in this mess. I will keep blaming a lot of this on people. I will spell it out for all of you.

FOR A VIRUS TO SPREAD IT NEEDS PEOPLE. If you limit social interaction it lowers the chance of the virus spreading. Instead people are going to people and aren't interested anymore.

People cannot survive without interactions. They have to work so rich people and people who are scared of the virus can get their food so they have enough energy to chastise the working class.

 

[stealth1]

People cannot survive without interactions. They have to work so rich people and people who are scared of the virus can get their food so they have enough energy to chastise the working class.

I never said to stop social interaction, just limit it. You can still work and for the most part limit your interactions.

 

[kb]

ItS cAuSe ThEy HaVe LiMiTeD cOnTaCt. You need to have been in contact with an infected person for more then 15 minutes.

you must be fun at parties....

But the reality is.....if contact tracing called me to tell me I was exposed for at any point for any length of time, then yes - I would have to quarantine for 14 days.

 

[stealth1]

you must be fun at parties....

But the reality is.....if contact tracing called me to tell me I was exposed for at any point for any length of time, then yes - I would have to quarantine for 14 days.

That's not true. Otherwise everyone that shopped at any of the businesses where an employee had Covid would have to quarantine for 14 days. That doesn't happen.

 

[Sens]

Its honestly disgusting how little empathy many have for those that have died from Covid.
"Gee only 250,000 more died then normal, dddduuuuhhh why we have measures to protect people. Uuuummmm dddduuuuhhh"

Every day I hate people more and more. I'm at the point the only people I care about is me and my family. The rest of the world could all get sick I could care less. Everyone is that way.

I get the virus is going to spread but we were doing a decent job keeping numbers low. The virus needs people for it to spread. I would hope people would understand that the less interaction with people the less chance of spreading. Instead people have to people.

Its the governments fault
Go to work
Go to school
But don’t you dare see your grandparents for Christmas

the majority are going to be like f*** that shit

 

[Confucius]

ItS cAuSe ThEy HaVe LiMiTeD cOnTaCt. You need to have been in contact with an infected person for more then 15 minutes.

Does that mean you can't get Covid while out shopping as long as you keep moving about? If so, then what's all the fuss about? Just don't stand around and talk to people.

Oh, then the most likely place people would get covid is standing in line, because of the bottlenecks created by businesses having been shut down.

 

[Pink Mist]

Its the governments fault
Go to work
Go to school
But don’t you dare see your grandparents for Christmas

the majority are going to be like f*** that shit

Because the majority of people are a bunch of babies. Other religions went without seeing people during major holidays just fine. Muslims didn't see others during Ramadan and two Eids and I didn't hear a peep from them, yet we can't go without Christmas for some reason

 

[Confucius]

Its the governments fault
Go to work
Go to school
But don’t you dare see your grandparents for Christmas

the majority are going to be like f*** that shit

You forgot to add its ok to, Go buy beer, lineup for coffee, donuts, pizza, hamburgers.

 

[Sens]

Because the majority of people are a bunch of babies. Other religions went without seeing people during major holidays just fine. Muslims didn't see others during Ramadan and two Eids and I didn't hear a peep from them, yet we can't go without Christmas for some reason

not a peep eh
Fines issued following large gatherings in Brampton for Diwali, mayor confirms

 

[Sens]

You forgot to add its ok to, Go buy beer, lineup for coffee, donuts, pizza, hamburgers.

Did you see the lines at the Vaughn Mall? Crazy lol

 

[Sens]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...rged-breaching-covid-19-regulations-1.5839748
"Those inside refused to unlock the doors for officers," police said in the news release.
"Police located a large group of people inside the business, which was operating as a bar. No one was wearing any form of personal protective equipment or face coverings."

 

[Confucius]

Did you see the lines at the Vaughn Mall? Crazy lol

My daughter told me about one. I think it was black Friday. Apparently the outside of that whole facility was ringed by people standing in line. My word, a person may have stood in line all day and not got in.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

It's been said before but I think it's worth repeating once in awhile: the constant reporting of case counts is contributing to a lot of the fear and stress people are feeling and making things seem more alarming than they really are.

Ontario reported about 1,850 cases yesterday (we've been around that number for a few weeks now). But that was with 65,000 tests completed. Back in April at the peak of the first wave we were only completing about 15,000 tests per day. That means today's case counts are inflated by a factor of about 4.5 relative to April when Ontario peaked with about 600 cases per day. I.e., our 1850 cases yesterday sounds more alarming until you realize it's the equivalent of 411 confirmed cases if we were still only doing 15,000 tests per day.

I prefer watching death counts which can't be inflated, And things look a lot less grim this wave: about 17 deaths/day on average in Ontario over the past couple of weeks vs. 70 or so per day at the people of the first wave.

Just giving perspective. Note these numbers are just rough estimates looking at graphs, etc. Feel free to cherry pick a number here or there but it won't change the overall point: the second wave is (so far) not as bad case-wise as the first and not nearly as bad death-wise. So cheer up!

 

[Sens]

They upped the tests so they could sell more fear... they went from 45K to 65K within a week

 

[Pink Mist]

It's been said before but I think it's worth repeating once in awhile: the constant reporting of case counts is contributing to a lot of the fear and stress people are feeling and making things seem more alarming than they really are.

Ontario reported about 1,850 cases yesterday (we've been around that number for a few weeks now). But that was with 65,000 tests completed. Back in April at the peak of the first wave we were only completing about 15,000 tests per day. That means today's case counts are inflated by a factor of about 4.5 relative to April when Ontario peaked with about 600 cases per day. I.e., our 1850 cases yesterday sounds more alarming until you realize it's the equivalent of 411 confirmed cases if we were still only doing 15,000 tests per day.

I prefer watching death counts which can't be inflated, And things look a lot less grim this wave: about 17 deaths/day on average in Ontario over the past couple of weeks vs. 70 or so per day at the people of the first wave.

Just giving perspective. Note these numbers are just rough estimates looking at graphs, etc. Feel free to cherry pick a number here or there but it won't change the overall point: the second wave is (so far) not as bad case-wise as the first and not nearly as bad death-wise. So cheer up!

These numbers aren't inflated, it just means we weren't testing enough during the first wave.

 

[Confucius]

It's been said before but I think it's worth repeating once in awhile: the constant reporting of case counts is contributing to a lot of the fear and stress people are feeling and making things seem more alarming than they really are.

Ontario reported about 1,850 cases yesterday (we've been around that number for a few weeks now). But that was with 65,000 tests completed. Back in April at the peak of the first wave we were only completing about 15,000 tests per day. That means today's case counts are inflated by a factor of about 4.5 relative to April when Ontario peaked with about 600 cases per day. I.e., our 1850 cases yesterday sounds more alarming until you realize it's the equivalent of 411 confirmed cases if we were still only doing 15,000 tests per day.

I prefer watching death counts which can't be inflated, And things look a lot less grim this wave: about 17 deaths/day on average in Ontario over the past couple of weeks vs. 70 or so per day at the people of the first wave.

Just giving perspective. Note these numbers are just rough estimates looking at graphs, etc. Feel free to cherry pick a number here or there but it won't change the overall point: the second wave is (so far) not as bad case-wise as the first and not nearly as bad death-wise. So cheer up!

Thanks, I thought this second wave was worse but I see it's not.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Thanks, I thought this second wave was worse but I see it's not.

And this seems to back up the same thing:

Eyeballing that, it appears that the average of ICU admissions between north and south Toronto are about half of that in April and they are clearly leveling off (and maybe trending down). I'm ignoring the greyed out part that is flagged as "reporting lags",

Hopefully all of these trends continue. We may well be through this second wave soon.

 

[ULF_55]

Suicide deaths in Alberta in 2020 fewer than what was recorded last year

I love the don't test and we'll have less cases argument.

If no one reported crime we'd have no crime.

 

[ULF_55]

ICUs in Alberta are drowning, say doctors. 'I've never had this happen in all my years of practice.' - Macleans.ca

Alberta isn’t alone in feeling the effect of the continued second wave in COVID-19 hospitalizations. On Friday, Ontario’s COVID-19 Science Advisory Table released its latest modelling after the province’s number of COVID-19 patients grew by 63.2 per cent over the previous four weeks. Its experts warned that caseloads could soar to 9,000 per day by Christmas in a worst-case scenario. As well, death rates in long term care homes are climbing and, even under the very best scenario, the experts forecast that the province will see ICU admissions of COVID-19 patients climb to 200 by December, well above the government’s 150-bed red line at which medical procedures would be impacted.
In a projection for the Globe and Mail, mathematical modeller Jens von Bergmann, forecast that the number of hospitalizations could rise to 4,000 by Christmas, a massive increase from the current 2,438 COVID-19 patients in hospital, and one third-higher than the spring peak of 3,083 hospitalizations on May 6.

Still, many Canadian hospitals are carrying out more procedures than they did in the first wave, when the dangers posed by a brand-new virus meant a wholesale shuttering of departments and units, as Canadian medical staff braced to see if they would be as overwhelmed as their colleagues in France, Italy and Spain. That latest Ontario modelling also showed that while hospitals are reducing services such as diagnostic imaging and surgeries, they aren’t plunging to the levels seen during the first wave.
On Nov. 19, the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) released data on the impact of COVID-19 on planned surgeries. From March and June, surgeries fell 47 per cent compared to 2019, meaning a total of 335,000 procedures never took place. Life-saving and urgent surgeries (pacemaker insertions, cancer surgeries, fractures, heart bypasses) dropped 17 and 21 per cent, respectively. There was a four per cent decline in hospital births and trauma admissions fell by 10 per cent, though some of that may be attributed to more people staying home and thus not getting into car accidents, falls and sustaining other injuries.
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[Confucius]

Suicide deaths in Alberta in 2020 fewer than what was recorded last year

I love the don't test and we'll have less cases argument.

If no one reported crime we'd have no crime.

Or watching the numbers fall for a few days. Then see an increase, explained by there was a mixup and x number were not counted in previous days when the numbers were dropping. lol!