The Hanging Jowl
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Or the virus just does what every virus in history has ever done despite our futile efforts to change nature.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns
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Or the virus just does what every virus in history has ever done despite our futile efforts to change nature.
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Agreed, they would have had to lockdown all borders here in Canada.
And they would have had to do that before they knew about the virus.
Going to have to pay the $3-4 billion to prepare the vaccines for future events.
Have the vaccine ready to go as soon as the next one starts up.
This was predicted, but not prepared for.
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OK but my original point was, comparing us to Australia, NZ, Taiwan, HK, SK, etc., is useless because they could and did close their borders. And in either case, I say we could have limited our damage if we had closed incoming flights from hotspots. Wouldn't have completely stopped covid from coming in but it would have made things more manageable. And finally, I find it preposterous they shut down local businesses while allowing flights to come in from all over the world every day with a wink-wink promise to self isolate.
When the decision-makers, make statements like it's ok to go to your second home in the countryside to celebrate Christmas. A lockdown doesn't seem to have that much urgency. In the spring with far less cases, we were urged not to travel to cottages. Statements by the decision-makers were, even if you plan to isolate you may breakdown and need local assistance or you may injure yourself, taxing the small community health centers. This winter apparently it's forget all that. I see....
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The only possible answer is if they are somehow counting the seasonal flu cases as something else...if so, I wonder what they are being counted as?
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That's where it drifts into conspiracy but I think anyone knows something about this isn't right and even the most pro-lockdown person can't win this debate:
- Either the flu is gone or being counted as covid.
- If it's gone, they will say it's because of the covid restrictions.
- The obvious question is then why are covid cases skyrocketing under the same restrictions? They will say because covid is more contagious but that can't account for such a disparity.
- The next question is then why don't we do these restrictions every year to save people from flu/tuberculosis/pneumonia and every other communicable disease and save even more lives than we have for covid?
This is as close to a logical syllogism as you'll ever get and yet they don't give up.
That is not the only possible answer, and I wonder if you have any friends and family who work in the medical profession.
However, it is a question that we deserve answers to
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It's not the least bit logical, but the measures taken appears to have the full support from those whose jobs or income were not temporarily or permanently lost, and/or those whose lifestyles were minimally impacted and couldn't care less about those millions that suffered greatly.
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Because we probably should do more to stop those illnesses. And if we did, people like you and the other covid deniers in this thread would endlessly complain about those measures since you're not bringing this point up in good faith.
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There are flu cases out there....a lot of them. It's flu season. If the flu isn't being recorded as the flu, then what does that leave us to conclude exactly?
As you say, it deserves an answer. Something isn't right.
Ah yes, like how we've not curtailed the threat of small pox and other contagious viruses in the past
One could say humans are the actual virus and we keep spreading and multiplying all over the world. Earth tries it's best to get rid of us, but we just won't go away.
One could say humans are the actual virus and we keep spreading and multiplying all over the world. Earth tries it's best to get rid of us, but we just won't go away.
Is that you Mr. Smith?
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One could say humans are the actual virus and we keep spreading and multiplying all over the world. Earth tries it's best to get rid of us, but we just won't go away.
OK Agent Smith.
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Agreed. It's not even drifting into conspiracy areas though. There are cases, but where did they go, and how are they being recorded?
Covid cases are skyrocketing because they are testing 2-5 times as many as they did in summer. It's no secret that there are unknown (but possibly significant) numbers of false positives for Covid. Even saying the Covid numbers are 100% correct, we still arrive at the next hurdle, which is that dying with Covid =/= dying from Covid. Dying with a positive test for Covid does not automatically mean they died from the effects of Covid, or were even infected for that matter.
Here is something else to consider with regards to the veracity of PCR tests.....
Review report Corman-Drosten et al. Eurosurveillance 2020
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Clark4Ever
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Please stop with the labeling BS. You ruin your credibility and insult others with valid concerns.
Not a single person here has denied the existence of a serious pandemic. There is a substantial difference between outright denial and:
- Legitimately questioning the rationale of sweeping lockdowns that have proven to have a minimal impact on community spread of the virus.
- Considering the possibility that the Covid-19 case and death counts may not be 100% accurate when other statistical anomalies are present (numerous doctors and health care professional have attested to this as well).
- Observing the level of control being exerted by governments around the world and questioning whether or not the pandemic is being exploited beyond reasonable measures thereby threatening the freedom and livelihoods of many.
- Being skeptical of a novel vaccine that was developed in an unprecedented fashion and in a fraction of the time based on historical comparisons.
I have abided by all the local health guidelines since the pandemic started and I understand the gravity of the situation we're in. I also believe in what I stated above.
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Downplaying the risk of covid is covid denialism, which happens constantly in this thread by him and other posters. Look at someone like kb, and tell me he doesn't deny that covid is serious
And besides it doesn't detract from my point that you guys aren't bringing up the argument of flu, tuberculosis, etc deaths in good faith.
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The only scientific premise that I can think of would be that every year there are 2-3 flu strains that start out of the gate...by the midway point 1 of them has become dominant and the others die off. So it could be that covid is just the front runner because it has been circulating for over 1 year and the other ones never had a chance to win. That I would believe if I could trust the data coming from the government...but I am not sure on that data. If it were 100% legit data...the premise I just explained would be the reason.
I disagree. Yes the virus is spreading but without restrictions in place we would have similar numbers to our neighbors to the south. Look at Florida, they have dropped all restrictions and are now back to over 10,000 cases a day.
Its ok to have questions. My only issue with those that keep saying we are punishing small businesses and people's jobs, what should have they have done?
ULF_55
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You got that right.
When left up to individuals, it isn't going to work.
What's in it for me? Can I make money on it? Can I benefit from it?
ULF_55
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Too bad there wasn't a vaccine for the seasonal flu.
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Again, we need to remember....a positive PCR test result does not signify an active (or inactive) Covid infection, let alone a "case". A positive test result should only be labelled an active case if the patient is symptomatic and accompanied by a physician's differential diagnosis (to rule out colds, flu, etc.).
So a positive PCR test alone is only slightly above meaningless, a positive test with symptoms still could be nearly anything (cold, flu, Covid) without a confirmed physician's diagnosis.
So a positive PCR test alone is only slightly above meaningless, a positive test with symptoms still could be nearly anything (cold, flu, Covid) without a confirmed physician's diagnosis.
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I guess that wholly explains why the flu has been all but totally eradicated this year. That's amazing news!!
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