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You could just let them live their lives and not worry about it.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns
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The Hanging Jowl
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You're right of course but probably lots of other people too. Does NSLeaf think that because someone makes a decent living they must spend every waking moment at their likely painfully stressful job and never have any diversions? There's more to life than money.
I normally did before Covid but ever since it's been hard to do. Especially at work when there it directly affects me. Especially if Niagara goes into lockdown cause of people acting like every thing is normal. The amount of people flocking to the malls here is ridiculous.
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No one has right to pass judgement on anyone else....least of which those who are fortunate enough to still be working, and claimed life really hasn't changed much for them. The 2.7 million or so who temporarily or permanently lost their jobs from this should be so lucky. They didn't have any choice in their situations.
The selfishness and lack of empathy for those suffering as a result of authoritarian measures (backed with no real scientific data) that this 'pandemic' has brought out in some is chilling, frankly.
The selfishness and lack of empathy for those suffering as a result of authoritarian measures (backed with no real scientific data) that this 'pandemic' has brought out in some is chilling, frankly.
Yup. One of the associates at the Niagara outlets told me that people were lined up at stores last weekend well before they opened, many of which were from areas currently in full lockdown.
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Are malls super spreader places? Normally people interact in a very brief encounter.
I find it truly hypocritical and dumb that yesterday a number of our medical experts in Ontario were unhappy that people were flocking to the malls to try and get their shopping in before the shutdowns and then not admit that it was THEIR FAULT by continually crying about rising infection numbers and how we needed to close more services and stores down immediately to lower the spread and thereby prompting people to go out in large numbers to go out and get their Christmas and general shopping done.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE the more sensible solution would've been to allow businesses to remain open but to enforce capacity limits so that people have more choices for shopping and can be more spread out and not have everyone flock to the few remaining places that are open to do their shopping?
As an update we're past 90,000+ new confirmed infections since the beginning of October and guess what? We've only added about 700 or so extra concurrent hospital patients in that same time frame when in the first wave we had 1,050 hospital cases within a month and a half. So nearly double the time and we're still 200 hospital cases off the highest hospital cases that Ontario has seen back in early May, yet somehow our hospitals 'are in a crisis'?!? Like cmon now.
So we're testing far more than we've ever been and as a result are finding far more positive cases than we did in the first wave and that's the justification that we're using to explain why another significant shutdown is needed? OK.
And lets not even mention that yet again its long term care homes and the patients living there that are dying the most right now. You know the people the government and our 'medical experts' should've learned to protect by now after seeing them be devastated in the first wave? But nope that hasn't happened and now they're paying the price YET AGAIN because they're too stupid and incompetent to figure that out and now their only solution is to shut things down again and punish everyone even when its clear that high infection numbers aren't translating to high hospitalization numbers or even death numbers.
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It would have been necessary to close the borders to every county, as the virus came from Europe to NY. Mount Sinai Study Finds First Cases of COVID-19 in New York City are Primarily from European and US Sources | Mount Sinai - New York
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We try and support Canadian, checking country of origin, although it does cost more it is usually a small percentage more. Mind you buying furniture made in Canada can be double the price. But the money does stay in Canada.
However, there are people who believe making money for themselves is more important than country of origin, that's a philosophy and during this pandemic that probably doesn't change and if they lose during the period of time they should just accept that the system continues to work.
I'm more the everyone should be taken care of type, but those who chase the dollar are about winning for personal gain. That system continues to work in this pandemic, as there are still winners and losers.
We should have Moderna this month (have heard 21st.), perhaps we'll have two vaccines programs in place within 2 weeks.
OT: Scored a 6 pack of Lysol wipes at Costco yesterday during senior's hour!
I find it truly hypocritical and dumb that yesterday a number of our medical experts in Ontario were unhappy that people were flocking to the malls to try and get their shopping in before the shutdowns and then not admit that it was THEIR FAULT by continually crying about rising infection numbers and how we needed to close more services and stores down immediately to lower the spread and thereby prompting people to go out in large numbers to go out and get their Christmas and general shopping done.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE the more sensible solution would've been to allow businesses to remain open but to enforce capacity limits so that people have more choices for shopping and can be more spread out and not have everyone flock to the few remaining places that are open to do their shopping?
As an update we're past 90,000+ new confirmed infections since the beginning of October and guess what? We've only added about 700 or so extra concurrent hospital patients in that same time frame when in the first wave we had 1,050 hospital cases within a month and a half. So nearly double the time and we're still 200 hospital cases off the highest hospital cases that Ontario has seen back in early May, yet somehow our hospitals 'are in a crisis'?!? Like cmon now.
So we're testing far more than we've ever been and as a result are finding far more positive cases than we did in the first wave and that's the justification that we're using to explain why another significant shutdown is needed? OK.
And lets not even mention that yet again its long term care homes and the patients living there that are dying the most right now. You know the people the government and our 'medical experts' should've learned to protect by now after seeing them be devastated in the first wave? But nope that hasn't happened and now they're paying the price YET AGAIN because they're too stupid and incompetent to figure that out and now their only solution is to shut things down again and punish everyone even when its clear that high infection numbers aren't translating to high hospitalization numbers or even death numbers.
Almost makes you wonder if this stupidity and incompetence is all by design. I remember when they first announced the lockdown in Winnipeg and all the restrictions on small businesses - including "essential" items, they effectively turned Costco into an all-day "super spreader" event.
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I find it truly hypocritical and dumb that yesterday a number of our medical experts in Ontario were unhappy that people were flocking to the malls to try and get their shopping in before the shutdowns and then not admit that it was THEIR FAULT by continually crying about rising infection numbers and how we needed to close more services and stores down immediately to lower the spread and thereby prompting people to go out in large numbers to go out and get their Christmas and general shopping done.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE the more sensible solution would've been to allow businesses to remain open but to enforce capacity limits so that people have more choices for shopping and can be more spread out and not have everyone flock to the few remaining places that are open to do their shopping?
As an update we're past 90,000+ new confirmed infections since the beginning of October and guess what? We've only added about 700 or so extra concurrent hospital patients in that same time frame when in the first wave we had 1,050 hospital cases within a month and a half. So nearly double the time and we're still 200 hospital cases off the highest hospital cases that Ontario has seen back in early May, yet somehow our hospitals 'are in a crisis'?!? Like cmon now.
So we're testing far more than we've ever been and as a result are finding far more positive cases than we did in the first wave and that's the justification that we're using to explain why another significant shutdown is needed? OK.
And lets not even mention that yet again its long term care homes and the patients living there that are dying the most right now. You know the people the government and our 'medical experts' should've learned to protect by now after seeing them be devastated in the first wave? But nope that hasn't happened and now they're paying the price YET AGAIN because they're too stupid and incompetent to figure that out and now their only solution is to shut things down again and punish everyone even when its clear that high infection numbers aren't translating to high hospitalization numbers or even death numbers.
Problem is, facts and logic won't fly in an alarmist only zone.As an aside, I wonder what happened to all this season's flu cases?
I disagree its by design. I think they were hoping people would be smart. When things are locked down you are only supposed to be going out for essentials. The point of the lockdown is to make people have as little interaction as possible. By doing that the hope is cases drop. As seen by Toronto and Peel its not working. Instead of staying in their region they head to the ones that have lesser restrictions for shopping and eating.
With only groceries and pharmacies open the hope would be that people just go out for groceries and work. Their intentions meant well but people are going to people. Its been like this from the beginning.
Its frustrating cause we all want this to end but yet so many don't want to enough to make it end. If your region is locked down stay in your region.
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No, but this is what the government mandated, so.....if it is, who is to blame here? Hint.....it's not the people.
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I think it would make more sense to extend hours of operation.
Same overall number of shoppers, but spread over a greater period of time.
We have 4 essential workers in our house, but two of us can work from home. One, has to have face to face, another works for pharmaceutical logistics company and has to go out. We all limit our discretionary travel, and have definitely supported Amazon more this year than normal. I enjoy in person shopping but now only do so to keep the pantry full. I try and go senior's hour as there are less people in the stores.
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During the previous semi lockdown in Alberta, Costco had line-ups outside, but everyone was social distancing ... everyone was social distancing ... most wore masks, but a few did not, and there were at most 2 people in check-out lineups as they monitored the number in the store. Then they eased it, then schools opened up again, and the numbers went nuts. We have just started another semi-lockdown, with 15% capacities in stores still open.
To get the same number of people through the tills, at 15% capacity the only realistic options is to extend the hours of operation. More staff? I think there are people looking for jobs, no?
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As an aside, I wonder what happened to all this season's flu cases?
Flu season in Canada 'exceptionally low' so far, public health says.
What cellphone mobility data can teach us about why lockdown might not be working, and what to expect from the holidays
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In Toronto, mobility only dropped one per cent after lockdown began three weeks ago, officials said. Across the GTA, movement patterns remain closer to pre-pandemic norms than to the deep trough of March and April.
Williams returned to a familiar theme in response: haranguing Ontarians for gathering socially.
“There’s more and more people out and around, doing more and more and congregating more and more. And it seems to be with COVID fatigue and other aspects there, people either become complacent, complicit … that’s where our challenge is,” Williams said.
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In Toronto, mobility only dropped one per cent after lockdown began three weeks ago, officials said. Across the GTA, movement patterns remain closer to pre-pandemic norms than to the deep trough of March and April.
Williams returned to a familiar theme in response: haranguing Ontarians for gathering socially.
“There’s more and more people out and around, doing more and more and congregating more and more. And it seems to be with COVID fatigue and other aspects there, people either become complacent, complicit … that’s where our challenge is,” Williams said.
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What, in the history of humanity, would lead them to expect that? Their job is to properly incentivize "correct" behaviour, leaving obvious gaping loopholes makes it look like a highschool civics project, not the work of people with decades of experience in public health policy.
No need for speed limits or work safety laws, we can just trust people to be smart.
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We haven't closed our borders to anyone after all this time. What's the point of lockdowns of locals? It never got here from the muskeg, it got here from abroad. You can lockdown all you want but if hundreds if not thousands of flights keep arriving from Europe, US and Asia, what's the point?
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As an aside, I wonder what happened to all this season's flu cases?
Personally I stay away from conspiracy stuff but isn't this...impossible?
With December around the corner, no flu cases yet detected in Alberta | Calgary Herald
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