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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

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stealth1 said:
I don't understand why people can't see that. I think the big reason for rising cases is now that the weather is colder people are meeting indoors more then outdoors. So those people who were getting together with family and friends outdoors in the summer are continuing to do it indoors now. Now they are spreading Covid. Sometimes I believe with out even knowing it.

What makes it worse is that so many can't see the difference in lining up at business versus having people visiting your home.
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I think that is one of the real issues that people do not even realize. It's always assumed that it is the people blatantly breaking the rules who are causing the issues, and that is absolutely a problem, but then I constantly see cases on social media and the news where people are preaching to wear a mask and social distance but then break the rules themselves. Usually it is not on purpose (i.e. they meet up with someone but then take off their mask briefly for something), but it does not matter about intent. EDIT: The outcome is the same, if what they claim about the virus is true. It still seems like they don't have a very good idea about what is true or not... And if it turns out to be false, then it is not the source of the problem as much as they say it is.

I will say the way they are handling businesses makes absolutely no sense. Especially small businesses. They let big stores stay open because there is more room to distance, but then they also let in more people too. You should be allowed to do the same thing as a small business, and as people have said, it would spread out people more rather than forcing them to congregate at these big stores where, let's be honest, they are buying more than "essential" items.
 
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What makes it worse is that so many can't see the difference in lining up at business versus having people visiting your home.[/QUOTE]

So wait a second...are you saying that standing in line is ok? If so, why are we locked down and not able to go to certain stores but are allowed to go to sanctioned stores? Do you see the mental gymnastics that are being done to follow the logic of the Government?

The whole Idea that we could just place lower limits on how many people are allowed in a store at a time would work much more toward their goals than cramming everyone into your local costco because nothing else is open IMO.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
The only thing you do is stay away from the vulnerable and try protect them as best as possible.

The health authorities should have listed the most vulnerable by age and disease and hammered that message from day one. Rather than these stupid mask mandates they should have warnings and education about who to protect and how to protect them.
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I know at least 2 people who were perfectly healthy middle aged men, 42 and 64, that died from COVID. The 64 year olds autopsy showed pustules in his lungs, so it was a direct cause and not just a coincidental death in a positive case.

Just protecting the vulnerable isnt enough
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
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What makes it worse is that so many can't see the difference in lining up at business versus having people visiting your home.
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So wait a second...are you saying that standing in line is ok? If so, why are we locked down and not able to go to certain stores but are allowed to go to sanctioned stores? Do you see the mental gymnastics that are being done to follow the logic of the Government?

The whole Idea that we could just place lower limits on how many people are allowed in a store at a time would work much more toward their goals than cramming everyone into your local costco because nothing else is open IMO.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with more stores being open. When places are in lockdown they only businesses they people should be going to is grocery stores for essentials. Maybe the non essential side of Costco and Walmart should be closed. Maybe then people will get it. The whole point of lockdown is that people are only to go out for work and essentials. Its to limit your time in public.
 
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What makes it worse is that so many can't see the difference in lining up at business versus having people visiting your home.
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So wait a second...are you saying that standing in line is ok? If so, why are we locked down and not able to go to certain stores but are allowed to go to sanctioned stores? Do you see the mental gymnastics that are being done to follow the logic of the Government?

The whole Idea that we could just place lower limits on how many people are allowed in a store at a time would work much more toward their goals than cramming everyone into your local costco because nothing else is open IMO.
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15% of capacity right now in Alberta.

And people keep talking about line-ups, but the line-ups are not supposed to be shoulder to shoulder they are line-ups with masked people 6 or more feet apart.

Again, I think they should extend the hours of operation, as the same number of people will want to shop, but if they extend the hours you can space them out.

The other thing in Alberta is the government are suggesting everyone work from home unless they have to physically be at a location to work. I'm not sure if there is any intention of policing this.
 
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The Podium said:
I know at least 2 people who were perfectly healthy middle aged men, 42 and 64, that died from COVID. The 64 year olds autopsy showed pustules in his lungs, so it was a direct cause and not just a coincidental death in a positive case.

Just protecting the vulnerable isnt enough
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people die everyday.

Overwhelming evidence tells us that this virus and the disease causes more harm to certain groups of people.
 
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stealth1 said:
So wait a second...are you saying that standing in line is ok? If so, why are we locked down and not able to go to certain stores but are allowed to go to sanctioned stores? Do you see the mental gymnastics that are being done to follow the logic of the Government?

The whole Idea that we could just place lower limits on how many people are allowed in a store at a time would work much more toward their goals than cramming everyone into your local costco because nothing else is open IMO.
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It has nothing to do with more stores being open. When places are in lockdown they only businesses they people should be going to is grocery stores for essentials. Maybe the non essential side of Costco and Walmart should be closed. Maybe then people will get it. The whole point of lockdown is that people are only to go out for work and essentials. Its to limit your time in public.[/QUOTE]
With this I agree
 
I don't really mind being locked down in my house. I get whatever I want delivered. I have a nice home gym. Good gaming PC. Wife, kids, dog, cats. Big enough back yard. I've got Cyberpunk. Lots of TV shows and movies I still need to watch. I have a few hobbies. Lots of things around the house to do. Plenty of weed and beer. I just need hockey back and I'll be all set.
 
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PuckMagi said:
I don't really mind being locked down in my house. I get whatever I want delivered. I have a nice home gym. Good gaming PC. Wife, kids, dog, cats. Big enough back yard. I've got Cyberpunk. Lots of TV shows and movies I still need to watch. I have a few hobbies. Lots of things around the house to do. Plenty of weed and beer. I just need hockey back and I'll be all set.
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you obviously don't have children and grandchildren.
 
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stealth1 said:
So wait a second...are you saying that standing in line is ok? If so, why are we locked down and not able to go to certain stores but are allowed to go to sanctioned stores? Do you see the mental gymnastics that are being done to follow the logic of the Government?

The whole Idea that we could just place lower limits on how many people are allowed in a store at a time would work much more toward their goals than cramming everyone into your local costco because nothing else is open IMO.
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It has nothing to do with more stores being open. When places are in lockdown they only businesses they people should be going to is grocery stores for essentials. Maybe the non essential side of Costco and Walmart should be closed. Maybe then people will get it. The whole point of lockdown is that people are only to go out for work and essentials. Its to limit your time in public.[/QUOTE]

Look...I said from the beginning when they locked down some areas of the GTA that it would just squeeze those very same people into areas that were open...it was a stupid Idea IMO. They should have locked down the whole region that way only the most desperate people will want to drive for a good length of time to go shopping. The squeeze effect was noted in March in Italy when every one left the Lombard region because they were locked down and spread it Rome and everywhere else. It's counter productive to do these lockdowns the way they are doing them. If someone wants to drive 10hrs to Thunder Bay...knock yourself out...but that should be where they would have to go to to keep people at home.

Now when it comes to the big box retailers I think its a very unfair decision to allow them to sell everything because Ford said it would be hard to do. That's nonsense...you just go into the computer and don't allow the SKU to be paid for along with signage throughout the store. When you think of walmart...do you think of food firstly? I don't...so they dedicate 20% of the store to food and get to keep 80% open...its nuts. And it hurts all the small guys. I know you think small businesses are some kind of conniving ruthless cult that treats their employees horribly...but the fact is..small businesses employ more people than the big boys do. Guess what happens to wages when the small businesses are gone? Down...because the big boys won't have any competition for labor.

It's all about the approach...allow all stores to open with customer limits or close everything but pharmacy and grocery stores...this half assed approach is what is causing the numbers to go up and they don't even see it.
 
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The reason I have issues with what the government does is that none of it is backed by actual science, and it appears they have a "target area" where they wanted to keep cases so as to prolong this until the "vaccine" came out, even though there were/are very safe and proven drugs/treatment options that could basically eradicate this for pennies on the dollar.

Gov'ts across the world should be held accountable for the deaths of all these people.

I am not anti-vaxx, but I am pro-life with regards to this pandemic. No one deserves to die without throwing everything medically available at it. This gouging/profiteering at the expense of human lives needs to stop.
 
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kb said:
The reason I have issues with what the government does is that none of it is backed by actual science, and it appears they have a "target area" where they wanted to keep cases so as to prolong this until the "vaccine" came out, even though there were/are very safe and proven drugs/treatment options that could basically eradicate this for pennies on the dollar.

Gov'ts across the world should be held accountable for the deaths of all these people.
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It seems you're hinting that there is somehow a conspiracy going on..
 
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kb said:
I am not anti-vaxx, but I am pro-life with regards to this pandemic. No one deserves to die without throwing everything medically available at it. This gouging/profiteering at the expense of human lives needs to stop.
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Have you done the math on the cost of the population wide use of ivermectin at the recommended dosages for prophylaxis and out patient treatment vs. the being charged for the vaccine?
 
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stealth1 said:
That's not true. Otherwise everyone that shopped at any of the businesses where an employee had Covid would have to quarantine for 14 days. That doesn't happen.
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This is true.

3 times I have worked in a Loblaws where an employee has tested positive, they shut down for a day, do a deep cleaning, then we are allowed back in to finish the project we are working on.

If we had zero or limited contact, we do not have to quarantine
 
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Have you done the math on the cost of the population wide use of ivermectin at the recommended dosages for prophylaxis and out patient treatment vs. the being charged for the vaccine?
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Have you factored in the human toll in lives lost waiting for the vaccine, or the cost of suffering, needless deathsm and unnecessary hospitalizations - let alone the human suffering from millions of job losses (temp and perm)?

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Treating those who show symptoms (like any illness) with ivermectin, which in all likelihood will greatly reduce or in most cases eliminate the need for hospital stays, and allow for natural herd immunity all while allowing life to go on?
 
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stealth1 said:
I wonder if a lot of the lower death rate in Ontario now has to do with that the majority of cases are in people under 40 now.

IMO now is the time to start doing studies on long term affects of Covid. Seen as the majority of people under 40 don't die from Covid, see if there is any after affects.
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Today, the Physicians of Canada tried to explain that by looking at the deaths, or lack of for some people can't be the true measure..

For every 1 out of 100 people that die, 11 become hospitalized, and around 15 have long term serious health issues including scar tissue on major organs, including heart, lungs, kidneys.

There also is the cognative deteriation of the brain, plus a variety of other ailments.

For those who believe that it is just a matter of live or recover 100%, that is not the case.

Now, full lockdowns can and probably should be questioned, as it seems ridiculous to shut down smaller operations while we jam into big box stores..

Sadly, Sweden and South Korea and starting to get overwhelmed. The virus can't really be contained but and we do need some mitigation, but we also should have been told the truth from the beginning.
 
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kb said:
Have you factored in the human toll in lives lost waiting for the vaccine, or the cost of needless deaths and unnecessary hospitalizations, let alone the human suffering from millions of job losses (temp and perm)?

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Treating those who show symptoms with ivermectin, which in all likelihood will greatly reduce or in most cases eliminate the need for hospital stays, and allow for natural herd immunity?
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Once all information is in there will be plenty of time for hindsight to evaluate courses of action. It may turn out that gambling on Ivermectin and opening up before it was confirmed to work would have been a "good" move. Still would have been a huge risk.

There's a reason I shortened your post. You insinuated that this pandemic has been drawn out to give big pharma a chance to profit off a vaccine, and have seemingly ignored that the alternative would have been an even bigger windfall for (checks notes)... big pharma (Merck).
 
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