+/- is literally a team statisic, but since you seem to think it's only for the true greats:
Net goal differential while on the ice (playoffs)
Crosby +0.71 / game
McDavid +1.08 / game
Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time
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+/- is literally a team statisic, but since you seem to think it's only for the true greats:
Net goal differential while on the ice (playoffs)
Crosby +0.71 / game
McDavid +1.08 / game
Mike C
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These pups don't understand how physical the game was before the 90s. McDavid would be on his ass much more, would need an enforcer on his line and with 32 teams, he's playing against diluted talent
He is a generational talent no doubt. L Better than Gretzky, Orr, Bossy, Howe, Hull, etc?
A little too early to disrespect the all time greats with that I feel.
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Add Lemieux…
And he’ll need Stanley Cups to be mentioned in the same breath as those guys
Mike C
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2 years ago it was a debate between McDavid and McKinnon, now all of a sudden it's a debate between McDavid and the 1st coming!
I'm not sure he's better than a lot of guys really. Whether it be Lemieux, Messier, Trottier, etc. On par? Yes indeed. King of the heap? In the words of my good friend Ralph Kramden " don't make me laugh"
For me Vegas, Dallas, Colorado would be the top contenders in the West. Edmonton in the 2nd tier of teams.
They have too many holes in that team and until they show that those are solidified they will be a step below the top teams for me.
Mike C
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Let's use round numbers like big boys
.71 equals 1
1.08 equals 1
1 is the same as 1
I'll balance your checkbook for you too if you need
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Today I learned Alex Ovechkin (1.10), Jean Beliveau (1.10) and Mark Messier (1.07) have the same impact as Daniel Briere (0.72), Cory Stillman (0.71) and Scott Gomez (0.70).
Can use more basic numbers if you prefer
Playoff PPG
Crosby 1.12
McDavid 1.51
Go find Stillman for that one
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Edmonton was significantly more competitive with Vegas than Dallas was. Colorado has massive holes as well in the form of an entire second line to replace from their cup team. Let’s not pretend the oilers have some massive holes here. They are one of the best teams in the league.
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McDavid will never have the mystique of Orr and Gretzky. His personality is too bland for that.
He'll have to match Mario's Stanley cup success at least.
He might overtake Gordie in accomplishments, but again Gordie has the mystique, the personality, the gumption. He was Mr. Hockey. What's Connor at this point? Mr. Big Numbers? Not enough, not yet.
He'll have to match Mario's Stanley cup success at least.
He might overtake Gordie in accomplishments, but again Gordie has the mystique, the personality, the gumption. He was Mr. Hockey. What's Connor at this point? Mr. Big Numbers? Not enough, not yet.
I think being the most dynamic skilled player of all time is pretty interesting. I very much enjoy watching him score some of the nicest goals in history.
I watch the game for the skill, not the post game interviews, but maybe that's just me.
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same impact? maybe maybe not. same numbers? most assuredly
numbers only take you so far, kinda like putting up a lot of them for a perennial 2nd round exit
i'm not sure he's more dynamic and skilled as gretzky and orr, but that's just me
I don't care about the argument here but you use full career vs someone who played 5 playoffs
Crosby after the same number of playoffs appearances (5) was something like 1.38. At least be just and credible in your claims..
49 games vs 175 games, is it a perfectly fair comparison? Nope. Crosby has played games outside of his prime etc. It is definitely enough of a sample to say that McDavid has performed better than Crosby in the playoffs so far, which is what my post was implying.
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Come back when he even gets to the finals let alone wins a cup
I never said he wasn't a great player/talent
To put him on Mount Rushmore is Aristophanes
I don't need McDavid to make the finals to be able to rightfully claim he is a better player (so far) than Crosby both regular season and postseason. Is this thread about teams or individuals?
Pittsburgh Penguins 2005 to present are most certanily better than the Oilers in that same time frame, no argument there.
Kevin Lowe confirmed as the goat I guess.
Baaaa.It's funny that he had a plus minus differential of 97 considering he ran from Calgary to the east to get away from 97.
Mike C
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I understand your point. My point is that I feel it is way premature to anoint him the best of all time or put him in top 5 quite yet
Kevin isn't in this conversation. I'll say we can put Messier and Trottier in thoughKevin Lowe confirmed as the goat I guess.
It's funny that he had a plus minus differential of 97 considering he ran from Calgary to the east to get away from 97.
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Granted I mostly saw the tail end of Gordies career but I have McDavid passing him. Wayne, Mario and Bobby remain the top 3 though.
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