Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[Video Nasty]

McDavid will never have the mystique of Orr and Gretzky. His personality is too bland for that.

He'll have to match Mario's Stanley cup success at least.

He might overtake Gordie in accomplishments, but again Gordie has the mystique, the personality, the gumption. He was Mr. Hockey. What's Connor at this point? Mr. Big Numbers? Not enough, not yet.

Why would personality, mystique, and gumption matter over how one plays the sport?

The difference is that you’re presumably a fully grown adult now, maybe even a certified old head. You watched these guys or heard about them spoken of in hushed breaths in your formative years as a child. No current player can ever compete with someone who isn’t willing to put that aside. It’s similar to a majority of each generation hitting a certain age, moaning about how music isn’t good like it was in the old days, and stop listening to anything other than what they listened to when they were in their 20s or younger. It takes effort to not retreat into the familiar old comforts. It’s scary to venture forward into something new.

Is McDavid top 5 all-time eight seasons into his career? No, not quite yet. But it’s not going to be long before he’ll have the complete credentials to be considered so. I can’t say I’ll ever have him ranked above Gretzky, but if he plays a nice full 20 season career, he could very well have the ammunition to counter shortened careers like Orr and Lemieux, and be the modern day counterpart to Howe, in terms of constantly being in the Hart discussion, except that he’s doing it against a pool that is 5x larger.

 

[Mike C]

Awesome. How many cups does he have?

to quote my man Graham Parker circa 1982 "Big Fat Zero"

 

[Coffey]

Come back when he even gets to the finals let alone wins a cup

I never said he wasn't a great player/talent

To put him on Mount Rushmore is Aristophanes

So why the f*** were you mentioning plus/minus and suddenly pivoted to cup wins after you were shut down?

You people are so embarrassing and predictable. So easy to see how your brain works.

 

[Mike C]

Why would personality, mystique, and gumption matter over how one plays the sport?

The difference is that you’re presumably a fully grown adult now, maybe even a certified old head. You watched these guys or heard about them spoken of in hushed breaths in your formative years as a child. No current player can ever compete with someone who isn’t willing to put that aside. It’s similar to a majority of each generation hitting a certain age, moaning about how music isn’t good like it was in the old days, and stop listening to anything other than what they listened to when they were in their 20s or younger. It takes effort to not retreat into the familiar old comforts. It’s scary to venture forward into something new.

Is McDavid top 5 all-time eight seasons into his career? No, not quite yet. But it’s not going to be long before he’ll have the complete credentials to be considered so. I can’t say I’ll ever have him ranked above Gretzky, but if he plays a nice full 20 season career, he could very well have the ammunition to counter shortened careers like Orr and Lemieux, and be the modern day counterpart to Howe, in terms of constantly being in the Hart discussion, except that he’s doing it against a pool that is 5x larger.

Not quite yet. Let's let time play itself out before we chisel his head on the mountain

 

[Video Nasty]

Not quite yet. Let's let time play itself out before we chisel his head on the mountain

“Is McDavid top 5 all-time eight seasons into his career? No, not quite yet.”

 

[Mike C]

So why the f*** were you mentioning plus/minus and suddenly pivoted to cup wins after you were shut down?

You people are so embarrassing and predictable. So easy to see how your brain works.

I didn't feel shut down at all. All components factor in. His plus minus isn't elite and his cup wins are non existent. No pivot at all. Just another point to the discussion

I will say though that if you cant have a dialogue without using curses and insults, perhaps you're right in that our brains works differently

Have a nice summer!

 

[Mike C]

“Is McDavid top 5 all-time eight seasons into his career? No, not quite yet.”

trust me, i understand the fandom. i used to scream at people that trottier was better than gretzky. once gretzky started winning championships, i had to give up the ghost and give credit where it was due

 

[Coffey]

I didn't feel shut down at all. All components factor in. His plus minus isn't elite and his cup wins are non existent. No pivot at all. Just another point to the discussion

I will say though that if you cant have a dialogue without using curses and insults, perhaps you're right in that our brains works differently

Have a nice summer!

Ok sealion

 

[Coffey]

trust me, i understand the fandom. i used to scream at people that trottier was better than gretzky. once gretzky started winning championships, i had to give up the ghost and give credit where it was due

You're too obsessed with team accolades.
Gretz never won a cup outside of his HOF team in Edmonton.

And Trottier never dominated the league like Gretz or McDavid.

 

[Mike C]

You're too obsessed with team accolades.
Gretz never won a cup outside of his HOF team in Edmonton.

And Trottier never dominated the league like Gretz or McDavid.

the oilers were a hof team is large part due to gretzky and there was a period of time that trottier was the most complete player in the league. might not have dominated numbers wise like others did but dominated on the ice overall like few others ever have

 

[Coffey]

the oilers were a hof team is large part due to gretzky and there was a period of time that trottier was the most complete player in the league. might not have dominated numbers wise like others did but dominated on the ice overall like few others ever have

His individual trophies say otherwise.
But glad he had cups when the league only had 21 teams and 5 foot tall goalies.

Old dudes will never let go of their glory day players.

 

[Mike C]

His individual trophies say otherwise.
But glad he had cups when the league only had 21 teams and 5 foot tall goalies.

Old dudes will never let go of their glory day players.

Kinda silly that us old dudes have to defend all time legends but you'll understand in 8 years if Bedard his wiping the McDavid seasons off the books

Until he wins a cup, McDavid is Dan Marino

 

[Coffey]

Kinda silly that us old dudes have to defend all time legends but you'll understand in 8 years if Bedard his wiping the McDavid seasons off the books

Until he wins a cup, McDavid is Dan Marino

I'm not delusional enough to disregard a generational talent because I'm so obsessed with players from my childhood.

If Bedard wins 6 Art Rosses/5 Lindsays/4 Harts in his first 8 years, you damn right I'll give credit where credit is due and claim he's better than McDavid. He'll be better than all the old guys who won cups with 6 teams in the league too.

And I won't be begging him to win a cup to prove otherwise.

 

[Mike C]

I'm not delusional enough to disregard a generational talent because I'm so obsessed with players from my childhood.

If Bedard wins 6 Art Rosses/5 Lindsays/4 Harts in his first 8 years, you damn right I'll give credit where credit is due and claim he's better than McDavid. He'll be better than all the old guys who won cups with 6 teams in the league too.

And I won't be begging him to win a cup to prove otherwise.

I'm not disregarding McDavid, nor am I obsessed with anything beyond my bank account and the health and well being of my kid.

You think McDavid is better than Orr and Gretzky and I'm not sure that's true

I'm content to leave it there

 

[Coffey]

You think McDavid is better than Orr and Gretzky and I'm not sure that's true

No I never said that lol
He's definitely top 10 though.

 

[Mike C]

No I never said that lol
He's definitely top 10 though.

I might concede top 10. See that. We can end on an up note. Respect in the handshake line!

 

[Coffey]

I might concede top 10. See that. We can end on an up note. Respect in the handshake line!

 

[tabness]

Kinda silly that us old dudes have to defend all time legends but you'll understand in 8 years if Bedard his wiping the McDavid seasons off the books

Until he wins a cup, McDavid is Dan Marino

How can you compare McDavid to Dan Marino? Dan Marino played in the golden era, McDavid plays in a powderpuff one.

When McDavid stars in a movie like Ace Ventura we can have this discussion, but he probably got no shot in starring in even the wack superhero movies so popular today as the world is crumbling apart and nerds need their escapist fantasy heroes in movies or sports

 

[Mike C]

How can you compare McDavid to Dan Marino? Dan Marino played in the golden era, McDavid plays in a powderpuff one.

When McDavid stars in a movie like Ace Ventura we can have this discussion, but he probably got no shot in starring in even the wack superhero movies so popular today as the world is crumbling apart and nerds need their escapist fantasy heroes in movies or sports

Marino is often the most mentioned player who is the greatest of the ringless

 

[Chinaski89]

Kinda silly that us old dudes have to defend all time legends but you'll understand in 8 years if Bedard his wiping the McDavid seasons off the books

Until he wins a cup, McDavid is Dan Marino

I’m banking that Bedard won’t sniff McDavid’s numbers

 

[Mike C]

I’m banking that Bedard won’t sniff McDavid’s numbers

You kidding me??, with Josh Bailey and Corey Perry in tow! Sky's the limit baby

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Not impossible, but premature anointment until he at bare minimum is part of a cup team.

While absolutely possible, until that feat, I say pump those brakes.

When the championships start coming in, we can restart the conversation.

 

[brentashton]

I didn’t exist during the Howe era, but I find that anybody who played in the 50’s are nowhere near the fitness and skill level of todays game. Extrapolating what he would’ve done today is just unreasonable given the multitude of factors.

 

[LemonSauceD]

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Show me a picture of his teammates and other teams players of that same era.

 

[brentashton]

Show me a picture of his teammates and other teams players of that same era.

Show me yours first.