Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[Gabriel426]

Yes that's what I remember the post about him were too.


We did that with him too but it didn't help his state of mind. He's being outperformed my skinner right now and his numbers are pretty bad. Not a good combination for him.
I hope he recovers too. It's just a game but when you're getting millions of dollars and the pressure that comes along with it, anxiety is natural

I think Jack is adjusting to his new contract. Probably won’t be this year but definitely by next season. At least that’s what I am hoping for.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We got Samsonov and Murray and recieved a 3rd and a 7th, giving us two kicks at the can in a comparable risk/reward tier (argualby higher reward with Sam's draft pedigree and those two shiny things on Murray's hand). The cost to hedge our bets with any pair of the other 3 instead:

The fatlady is far from singing. A long way to know who the best two of the 5 options. But what we did allowed us to gain more with far far less draft capital spent.

I said it in the summer - the best thing about what we did with our goalies is that we have two lottery tickets, and we only need one to pay off and look like a reliable starter by the time the playoffs start so the chances of hitting on one seems better than gambling on one guy. And there's always the chance that they both pay off which is how it's tracking now and if it keeps going the way it is, it'll be the best move Dubas has ever made.

And the bonus is, instead of spending draft capital, we gained draft capital. Sweet!

 

[TheDoldrums]

Because Samsonov is a RFA, we can keep him next year on a cheap qualifying offer if we don't sign him long-term, right?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Seeing how volatile goalies like Shesterkin and Markstrom have been after kicking ass last season makes what Vasi did from 2020-2022 all the more impressive.

Vasilevsky has put up some ridiculous playoff numbers over the past few years, for sure, but Hellebuyck also seems to get underappreciated for what he's been doing.

Since 2019, Hellebuyck has been 1st, 1st, 8th, and currently 4th in GSAx. Amazing consistency.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Because Samsonov is a RFA, we can keep him next year on a cheap qualifying offer if we don't sign him long-term, right?

I think that's basically true, though I have no idea how cheap cheap is.

 

[Petrus]

We got Samsonov and Murray and recieved a 3rd and a 7th, giving us two kicks at the can in a comparable risk/reward tier (arguably higher reward with Sam's draft pedigree and those two shiny things on Murray's hand). The cost to hedge our bets with any pair of the other 3 instead:

Husso + Vanicek: 2nd+3rd+3rd +7th
Husso + Georgiev : 3rd+3rd+3rd+3rd+5th +7th
Vanicek+ Georgiev: 2nd+3rd+3rd+ 3rd+5th +7th

The fatlady is far from singing. A long way to know who the best two of the 5 options. But what we did allowed us to gain more with far far less draft capital spent.

It ain't over until Sheldon Keefe sings!

 

[Peasy]

Because Samsonov is a RFA, we can keep him next year on a cheap qualifying offer if we don't sign him long-term, right?

He would have to sign that qualifying offer which I highly doubt he would. That would mean they would go to arbitration if they dont agree on a contract before hand.

Players don't often sign their QOs. Only time it really happens is if a player was making a rather good salary but had a bad year. Laine did this after the 20-21 season where he had a bad year, but his QO was 7.5m so he decided to accept that on a one year deal.

 

[ACC1224]

It ain't over until Sheldon Keefe sings!

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Where is that picture from? No one wears 13

 

[Judas Tavares]

Where is that picture from? No one wears 13

Marlies, before the stress of the Leafs made him fully grey!

 

[Gary Nylund]

He would have to sign that qualifying offer which I highly doubt he would. That would mean they would go to arbitration if they dont agree on a contract before hand.

Oh. That's a bit scary then. Oh well, that's the distant future so not going to worry about that now. Still early and I just hope that the goalies keep playing so well that fitting them both under the cap is a problem. The good kind of problem. As opposed to you know, thinking about whether or not we should buy out Murray like some people were already talking about before he'd even played 2 games for us.

 

[GoonieFace]

Not really. There are a handful of goalies in the league that you can reliably expect to be somewhere in the positives, but that's about it.

I posted this in another thread a couple days ago, but it's probably relevant here...

Top 15 goalies in GSAx from last year and where they place this year so far:

#1 Shesterkin -> 15th
#2 Vasilevsky -> 20th
#3 Andersen -> 62nd
#4 Bobrovsky -> 66th
#5 Kuemper -> 18th
#6 Saros -> 22nd
#7 Quick -> 58th
#8 Hellebuyck -> 4th
#9 Husso -> 44th
#10 Sorokin -> 1st
#11 Jarry -> 52nd
#12 Markstrom -> 39th
#13 Demko -> 72nd
#14 Comrie -> 61st
#15 Martin -> 34th

Of course that's not true, and that's actually a stat that looks at the goaltender's performance isolated from the performance of the rest of the team.

Explain how this works actually. I’m not being a dink, I am actually curious. It kind of reminds me of nfl quarterbacks. Hey, this guy looks great on New England he must be good. Goes to KC, different team, different system, he sucks (Matt Cassell)

 

[Dekes For Days]

Explain how this works actually. I’m not being a dink, I am actually curious.

A goalie's GSAx is the number of goals they have saved above expected. Their performance is compared to what a "league average goalie" would have given up with the quantity and quality of accumulated shots and chances that their team has allowed. For example, our defensive performance in front of Samsonov would normally result in 24.8 goals against with a league average goalie. He has only allowed 18 goals, and thus he sits at +6.8 GSAx.

 

[1specter]

Marlies, before the stress of the Leafs made him fully grey!

Definitely a Marlies pic since Keefe is doing his best Jeff O'Neill impression these days

I said it in the summer - the best thing about what we did with our goalies is that we have two lottery tickets, and we only need one to pay off and look like a reliable starter by the time the playoffs start so the chances of hitting on one seems better than gambling on one guy. And there's always the chance that they both pay off which is how it's tracking now and if it keeps going the way it is, it'll be the best move Dubas has ever made.

And the bonus is, instead of spending draft capital, we gained draft capital. Sweet!

I wonder how much the new goalie staff has been a factor as well. Even Kallgren despite having a sub .900 sv% looks better than last year just based off the eye test, seems a lot less scrambly and isn't giving out as many juicy rebounds. The Leafs also don't allow a lot of shots when he's in net so when he does let in goals it tanks his sv% more.

 

[Gabriel426]

Definitely a Marlies pic since Keefe is doing his best Jeff O'Neill impression these days


I wonder how much the new goalie staff has been a factor as well. Even Kallgren despite having a sub .900 sv% looks better than last year just based off the eye test, seems a lot less scrambly and isn't giving out as many juicy rebounds. The Leafs also don't allow a lot of shots when he's in net so when he does let in goals it tanks his sv% more.

Thats a good point. We did change the goalie coach. Ranford(think that's his name), was poached from the Nucks, who has one of the best goalie development team in the NHL.
Murray just needs to stay healthy.
Sammy and Kally are someone who needs tips here and there to round out their games.

Where is that picture from? No one wears 13

Pretty sure it is from the Marlies where he doesnt need to stress eat. And that 13 is Willie, right.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Thats a good point. We did change the goalie coach. Ranford(think that's his name), was poached from the Nucks, who has one of the best goalie development team in the NHL.
Murray just needs to stay healthy.
Sammy and Kally are someone who needs tips here and there to round out their games.


Pretty sure it is from the Marlies where he doesnt need to stress eat. And that 13 is Willie, right.

Sanford

 

[Gabriel426]

Sanford

Thanks

 

[hockeywiz542]

Silencing the critics: Leafs' unorthodox goalie tandem among league's best | Offside

Like every year it seems, the Leafs came into the season with many questions about how they'll do in net. So far, they've been answered.

dailyhive.com

Fast forward to December, and the Leafs’ two goalie acquisitions are quickly silencing all the critics.

“The first couple periods were really hard, a little bit different than practice. I feel not uncomfortable, but [games are] a little different speed. But I’ve got my confidence,” Samsonov said following last night’s 3-1 win over the San Jose Sharks in his first game back from his early November injury.

Murray is 5-1-1 in seven games with a goals-against average of 2.44 and a save percentage of .927 for the Leafs, while Samsonov is 7-2-0 in his nine games, as he sports a .924 save percentage and a goals-against average of 2.09.

And why shouldn’t the Leafs’ goalies be feeling confident?

After last night’s victory over San Jose, the Leafs are now 8-0-2 in their last 10 games, in no small part due to their goaltending.

Toronto’s been without three key defencemen in Morgan Rielly, TJ Brodie, and Jake Muzzin for extended stretches, but the team still sports a combined goals-against per game of just 2.48, the third-lowest total in the league behind just Boston and New Jersey.

Toronto’s team save percentage, even with the absences of Murray and Samsonov, currently ranks sixth league-wide at .913 throughout the season.

“Obviously, [we’re] dealing with some injuries and [our defence has] all stepped up big time,” Murray said, offering credit to his teammates in front of him after Monday’s win over Detroit. “[We’ve had] A lot of good defensive plays, you know, breaking up plays and blocking shots and just gutting it out.”

Sure, it’s early, with nearly 70% of the regular season schedule still to be played.

But their performances shouldn’t mean nothing either, with both goalies showing a strong comfort level whenever they’ve been healthy and in the net behind a mish-mash of a defensive unit.

Each goalie has given up four goals or more in a game just once each in a combined 16 starts.

Credit where it’s due: as of right now, both moves for new goalies look like a major win for oft-criticized Leafs GM Kyle Dubas.

For Toronto, they can only hope that both goalies can remain healthy moving forward, because they’ve been quite the force whenever they’ve been in net.

 

[Menzinger]

doesn’t really make sense to compare goalies playing on different teams. Murray and Samsonov have been great, so has the whole team defence which also helps. Dubas gambled huge and he has to hope it pays off. He tried it with Mrazek and that was a huge fail. Round 2

It WAS a gamble. But so far it looks like a bet that he's winning which is all that matters.

 

[Menzinger]

He would have to sign that qualifying offer which I highly doubt he would. That would mean they would go to arbitration if they dont agree on a contract before hand.

Players don't often sign their QOs. Only time it really happens is if a player was making a rather good salary but had a bad year. Laine did this after the 20-21 season where he had a bad year, but his QO was 7.5m so he decided to accept that on a one year deal.

The qualifying offer keeps his rights as Leafs property though. Depending on how many games played he ends up getting in think e likely either ends up on a cheaper two year bridge deal or ends up on a 3-4 year deal like Husso

 

[TMLAM34]

Campbell currently with a .815 save percentage in their game against Minnesota right now. This guy has really fallen and can’t get up.

 

[LeafChief]

When the Oilers signed Jack Campbell, Oilers media shill Mark Spector praised the signing on Twitter and clowned the Leafs for letting him walk.

It's very interesting that the coward that is Mark Spector has now deleted all of those tweets from July and August.

 

[HolyCrap]

When the Oilers signed Jack Campbell, Oilers media shill Mark Spector praised the signing on Twitter and clowned the Leafs for letting him walk.

It's very interesting that the coward that is Mark Spector has now deleted all of those tweets from July and August.

It’s an Oilers thing. Operating without a fully functional brain.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

@Mess

Updated goaltender stats.

Murray- 6-1-2 , 2.34GAA, .932sv%, highest ever recorded GSAx

Samsonov - 7-2-0, 2.09GAA, .924sv%

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

@Mess

Updated goaltender stats.

Murray- 6-1-2 , 2.34GAA, .932sv%, highest ever recorded GSAx

Samsonov - 7-2-0, 2.09GAA, .924sv%

E L I T E

 

[Spargon]

@Mess

Updated goaltender stats.

Murray- 6-1-2 , 2.34GAA, .932sv%, highest ever recorded GSAx

Samsonov - 7-2-0, 2.09GAA, .924sv%

Now now be fair, you have to include Campbell and Mrazek to show what we are missing. Mess needs a balanced plate of crow to eat.