Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Last game aside where he was not good at all, Samsonov has been tremendous, in fact I can count on 1 hand the number of bad games the tandem has had It's 3.

Murray against Montreal and Calgary, and he still beat Calgary.

Samsonov against Washington that's it.

I have full confidence in both goalies and that hasn't been the case since Cujo and Corey Schawb were the tandem

 

[thusk]

Murray before last game against arizona in a game the way ottawa was just totally trash, easily on top 3 of worst defensive game amount the entire NHL last season. Before that game, Murray was at 0.916% kind of game who will not happen in Toronto...

See Murray be in 0.920- 0 930 % was where i expected from Murray. I never had any doubt than Murray is a better goalie than Campbell and if campbell is able to be around at 0.916%...

 

[wingman75]

Samsonov was not good today vs Philly. He did make a couple big stops late in the game though.

Nice to see the team is still able to pull out wins when their goaltending is not performing at their best.

I still feel if we can get average NHL goaltending (.905 SV% & 2.94 GAA) we pile up the wins.

 

[Mess]

Samsonov was not good today vs Philly. He did make a couple big stops late in the game though.

Nice to see the team is still able to pull out wins when their goaltending is not performing at their best.

I still feel if we can get average NHL goaltending (.905 SV% & 2.94 GAA) we pile up the wins.

Sometimes hockey is a game of inches., A double post deflection saved the Leafs in this one.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Sometimes hockey is a game of inches., A double post deflection saved the Leafs in this one.

Oh shit, youre not thread banned? Where did you go during all the shutouts?

 

[Dave92]

Made me cringe when Samsonov blamed his performance in Washington on nerves, and he hasn't done much to inspire confidence since then. Even if Murray is inconsistent i think he has to be the guy.

 

[Buds17]

Made me cringe when Samsonov blamed his performance in Washington on nerves, and he hasn't done much to inspire confidence since then. Even if Murray is inconsistent i think he has to be the guy.

I figure that a healthy Murray starts Game 1 of the playoffs. For the most part, I'd still opt to continue with a tandem for the rest of the regular season though since I don't know how either goalie might fare when given the lion's share of the starts.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Still a lot of season but Samsonov is quickly losing the battle for starter now. He’s repeating his Washington pattern of starting hot before cooling off in a big way.

Challenge now for Samsonov and the Leafs is to stop that trend here and get him back to being a viable option. Murray if he can stay healthy allows the Leafs time time to fix Samsonov.

 

[Menzinger]

Samsonov is still a young guy whose going to go through ebbs and flows I wouldn't necessarily worry too much. Murray is the defecto 1A at the moment though, which should be clear

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Still a lot of season but Samsonov is quickly losing the battle for starter now. He’s repeating his Washington pattern of starting hot before cooling off in a big way.

Challenge now for Samsonov and the Leafs is to stop that trend here and get him back to being a viable option. Murray if he can stay healthy allows the Leafs time time to fix Samsonov.

Definitely has been shaky...Jack Campbell-esque. I think he can turn it around though, seems to have a good head on his shoulder. The team also hasn't been great either of late.

I think these two are a good combo, Murray can show him the ropes to take over eventually but he definitely is showing his flaws and why he is quite not ready fully for the starter spot.

 

[meefer]

While I wouldn't say Samsonov had a great game tonight, I certainly don't think it was as poor as the GD and PGTs suggest.

*Holl backed in and provided the perfect screen for O'Rielly's shot that went in off the post. Hard to blame Sammy for that one.
*While I'd like to have seen him come up with the save on Faulk's goal, he was squared up nicely to the threat Tarasenko had from the right side, who then teed it up for Faulk in the middle from 45 feet with a 92 mph bomb (as was relayed on the St Louis broadcast which I watched, I don't know if the Leaf broadcast had that info). Samsonov slid across in time, but misjudged the shot's trajectory. Woulda, coulda, shoulda...maybe. But we lament the lack of a point shot on our team because they can be hard for a goalie to deal with. From 45 feet, that's a tough one to deal with.
*Kyrou's goal from the right dot had to be tracked from the right point with Marner and Jarnkrok screening Samsonov, who to track the puck had to move to his right to avoid the battle between Benn and Thomas. Kyrou circles to the open ice and Parayko feeds the open man and Jarnkrok is late covering. Benn and Thomas provide the screen and it's a well placed shot. IMO, hard to blame Sammy on that one.

Agreed, he was fishing at times, but O'Rielly and Kyrou can make you pay for defensive mistakes, and on their goals I think the breakdowns occurred and Samsonov can only react.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

1) It's a long season, and ups and downs are a part of it. There's no need to write Samsonov off in favour of Murray when it's not even the New Year yet. Give them a 60/40 split and see how things how play out; given Murray's health, it's the sensible thing to keep him fresh.

2) Playoffs, you probably start Murray because he has done it twice unless Samsonov i) significantly outplays Murray for the balance of the season and ii) is the hot hand that you ride with heading into April.

3) Long-Term, no need to make a decision right away. Depending on the cap situation for 2023-2024 you could probably bridge Samsonov again (as he's an RFA) to have 2 years of sample size before deciding which of the two to sign-long term - if at all. If anything, goaltender signings are ones that you want to be damn sure about before you lock up your cap (i.e. Bobrovsky, Campbell, Andersen), especially given the increase in duos.

 

[LeafChief]

The long Faulk point shot has to be stopped.

 

[horner]

Definitely has been shaky...Jack Campbell-esque. I think he can turn it around though, seems to have a good head on his shoulder. The team also hasn't been great either of late.

I think these two are a good combo, Murray can show him the ropes to take over eventually but he definitely is showing his flaws and why he is quite not ready fully for the starter spot.

Our team defense has slipped a bit in the last few games.
St Louis has some really good players as well.
The Winnipeg goaltender last night let in 2 worst goals than Sammy.
The Rangers starting goaltender wasn't that great last night either.
There is only one Vasy in the league .
He will be fine.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

That was not a good night by Samsonov. He has to be better than that. He goes into the butterfly too quickly. He's also swimming more than he did when he started the season.

I think at this point Woll might be a viable option.

If Samsonov plays like that in the post-season Toronto aren't going anywhere. Let's just assume that Murray can stay healthy.

 

[thusk]

Murray is the clear #1, i never had any doubt with it but leafs have to stay in tandem to keep everybody healthy.

Samsonov is a really good back up but i dont think he having whats it need for a true #1... Halak, allen kind of goalie is how i see samsonov... can be great at moment but constancy always been and still an issue in his case.

 

[1specter]

1) It's a long season, and ups and downs are a part of it. There's no need to write Samsonov off in favour of Murray when it's not even the New Year yet. Give them a 60/40 split and see how things how play out; given Murray's health, it's the sensible thing to keep him fresh.

2) Playoffs, you probably start Murray because he has done it twice unless Samsonov i) significantly outplays Murray for the balance of the season and ii) is the hot hand that you ride with heading into April.

3) Long-Term, no need to make a decision right away. Depending on the cap situation for 2023-2024 you could probably bridge Samsonov again (as he's an RFA) to have 2 years of sample size before deciding which of the two to sign-long term - if at all. If anything, goaltender signings are ones that you want to be damn sure about before you lock up your cap (i.e. Bobrovsky, Campbell, Andersen), especially given the increase in duos.

Thank you for posting with some nuance. The responses here are honestly embarrassing this past week and shows the fickle nature of fans. People expecting Samsonov to maintain a .930+ for the duration of the season need to get their heads examined - some bad games will happen and even then he still managed to win 2 out of the 3 games he's played over the last 10 days. If Samsonov finishes with a .910-.915+ and a winning record that's a pretty solid season and would be a huge improvement on what he's done so far in his career.

The guy is only 25 and has only had one season as a starter, he's very much still developing.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Thank you for posting with some nuance. The responses here are honestly embarrassing this past week and shows the fickle nature of fans. People expecting Samsonov to maintain a .930+ for the duration of the season need to get their heads examined - some bad games will happen and even then he still managed to win 2 out of the 3 games he's played over the last 10 days. If Samsonov finishes with a .910-.915+ and a winning record that's a pretty solid season and would be a huge improvement on what he's done so far in his career.

The guy is only 25 and has only had one season as a starter, he's very much still developing.

I don't think anyone here is being fickle. Some of us have seen calm goaltending in our experience and others have seen what Samsonov has been doing recently. No one is saying "trade Samsonov", and fans know very well what Murray can be if healthy. The problem is that Murray's injury history lingers. It's in the back of our heads. If Samsonov can play better (we know he can play better), then the team has insurance...

 

[Stephen]

That was not a good night by Samsonov. He has to be better than that. He goes into the butterfly too quickly. He's also swimming more than he did when he started the season.

I think at this point Woll might be a viable option.

If Samsonov plays like that in the post-season Toronto aren't going anywhere. Let's just assume that Murray can stay healthy.

Samsonov is trending downwards at the moment after the Washington, Philadelphia and St. Louis games. I think they talked about some fatigue setting in, but you could see the happy feet creeping into his game, collapsing low to the ice for security, while making his crouch less efficient and susceptible to high shots, and just a lot of chaotic, athletic movement which doesn't seem necessary. That said, he did battle to keep things under control in those two games when things could have unraveled a la Jack Campbell. Overall, some bad, some good. Work in progress and it was good the rest of the team was able to find some scoring and get the W's.

 

[Stephen]

The long Faulk point shot has to be stopped.

That was a WJC level goal against.

 

[Fogelhund]

I keep tellin' ya. It's going to be Woll in the playoffs, and it's going to be good. You are buying beers, if this off the wall prediction comes good.

Hey... @JT AM da real deal