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1specter said:
Sammy's got the better stats but I think Murray has aggregately had the harder schedule so I don't know if that's quite fair to say just yet.

Teams Played (League pt% ranking):

Murray: Habs (22nd), Penguins (8th), Devils x2 (2nd), Sabres (21st), Wild (12th), Red Wings (17th), Lightning (6th), Stars (9th), Flames (18th), Rangers (11th)

Samsonov: Capitals (19th), Senators (25th), Stars (9th), Jets (7th) , Knights (4th), Kings x2 (16th), Flyers (27th), Bruins* (1st), Sharks (29th), Ducks (32nd)

*left game with injury

Murray on average plays higher ranked opponents, his opponents have an average pt% ranking of 11th, while Samsonov's opponents are average 16th in league pt%, and that's including the Bruins game where he left after the second period.

This is also reflected in the advanced stats; Murray and Samsonov have both started 11 games each with almost identical minutes (636 for Sammy and 659 for Murray), and in those games Murray has faced a total of almost ~20 more high danger chances, and the 'expected goals against' has been 35 for Murray and 27 for Sammy, so the Leafs have given up more defensively in Murray's games, likely because of harder opposition.
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Great post and totally agree. My original post about this was more in regard to mistakes made by the goalie rather than just raw stats.
Galaxies r the record and if you go back far enough you will see that I think Murray is the better goalie atm, so I was really saying based on play alone samsonov has the edge as he's had less mistakes that Murray
 
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saltming said:
Great post and totally agree. My original post about this was more in regard to mistakes made by the goalie rather than just raw stats.
Galaxies r the record and if you go back far enough you will see that I think Murray is the better goalie atm, so I was really saying based on play alone samsonov has the edge as he's had less mistakes that Murray
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That's fair yes, I do think Murray has allowed more 'worse goals' than Samsonov, though neither guy has really given up much of those in general. Off the top of my head, aside from a couple of weak goals in Samsonov's first start against Washington, I don't really remember other bad goals by him. He also has the highest high danger sv% in the league, so hard to argue with the results even if he's playing easier teams.
 
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1specter said:
That's fair yes, I do think Murray has allowed more 'worse goals' than Samsonov, though neither guy has really given up much of those in general. Off the top of my head, aside from a couple of weak goals in Samsonov's first start against Washington, I don't really remember other bad goals by him. He also has the highest high danger sv% in the league, so hard to argue with the results even if he's playing easier teams.
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I really hope we have this problem going into the playoffs :crossfing
 
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Quick Shifts: Maple Leafs' Ilya Samsonov jacked up for ‘big game’ in Washington

Ilya Samsonov is red hot for his revenge game | Barry Trotz changes his tune | Leafs go nuts for Pontus Holmberg | Mark Giordano knows why scoring is up + 8 more NHL goodies…
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1. Saturday night.

Alex Ovechkin aims to match and pass Gordie Howe on the all-time goal list, and the last line of defence between he and history will be former teammate and fellow countryman Ilya Samsonov.

Samsonov carries the NHL’s best save percentage (.939) and goals-against average (1.70) plus a ridiculous 152:34 shutout streak into his personal revenge game.

The Washington Capitals, remember, tried to trade away the first-round pick last spring and, when they couldn’t find a dance partner, let him walk for nothing.

Samsonov will have some friends in the stands and down the hall (he and Evgeny Kuznetsov were particularly tight).

“I’m not a bad guy,” he laughs.

He’s curious about the reception he’ll receive from a fan base that watched him loosen his grip on a No. 1 job and get bounced repeatedly in the first round of the postseason.

“A lot of good memories, especially for the first year. Not a lot the last couple of years. But this is life, yeah? I’m so excited to be here in Toronto,” Samsonov says.

“For sure, it’s a big game. Special for me. I’m so excited.”

“I want to get the win.”

On the other side, Peter Laviolette says he’s pleased that Samsonov has found traction up north and wishes him well, but the Capitals coach doesn’t want to spend much time on a player no longer in his room.

“We have to figure out a way to put pucks behind him,” Laviolette says. “That’s our focus.”

Samsonov’s training has adapted since the sweater switch, and he appreciates seeing more game-like practice involving odd-man rushes. He also maintains that he’s in a better mental spot now.

A 9-2 record in your contract year will do that.

So, how does Samsonov evaluate his hot start with the Leafs?

“We’ll see in June,” he smiles. “Right now, it doesn’t matter. We’ll see in the playoffs.”

Good answer.
 
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@Mess right about now :laugh:
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I think people need to understand that their run with their save % was not sustainable. Kind of like Campbell's at .940 was not sustainable, you knew it was going to tumble. The key is to not tumble to .900, stay above .915 and things are all good.

But I get it. This overreact to one single game nation.
 
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Judas Tavares said:
I think people need to understand that their run with their save % was not sustainable. Kind of like Campbell's at .940 was not sustainable, you knew it was going to tumble. The key is to not tumble to .900, stay above .915 and things are all good.

But I get it. This overreact to one single game nation.
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This is it. If they can each stay around .913-.917 consistently, that's money.
 
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saltming said:
His return from injury has been stellar
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its only been 5 games but looks promising, his problem is that hes always f'en hurt.
the guys is almost 25 and has played less than 50 professional games.

if he is healthy by the deadline i figure kalgren is on his way out to a team that needs a 3rd string goalie.
 
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saffronleaf said:
solid game from murray
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I think last night is a perfect example of why I thought Murray would be fine in Toronto and argued against folks who thought he was so bad that his goaltending would cost the team a playoff spot.

Murray, even the last few years, wasn't a "bad" goalie. He played like an average goalie on a team that was well below average defensively. So I figured that at minimum, he'd give Toronto "average" goaltending which shouldn't have an impact on their regular season at all.

Granted, I didn't think he'd be putting up .925 save percentage goaltending. I figured he'd be good for the .910 to .915 range. The folks who thought he'd be putting up sub .900 stuff didn't understand the reasons behind his numbers in Ottawa and just assumed he sucked outright.
 
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