Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[IPS]

He'll also have games where he steals the show, though.

Fine by me. If he shows up in the playoffs in "steal the show" mode then the Leafs are a serious cup threat

 

[Leaf Fans]

Murray has only dressed in 2 exhibition games against last year's last overall finishing team Montreal.

Generally Q of C (quality of competition) is a good gauge and indicator as your better goalie generally draws the stronger competition.

Since Murray has already faced Montreal twice he likely gets the season start, since its the Habs on the schedule again. But then if Samsonov gets game #2 Washington a 100 point playoff team and then Murray gets game #3 Ottawa another non playoff team, then it appears Leafs are using Murray against non playoff teams and Sammy against the toughest QofC.

Murray gets the non playoff competition and Sammy gets the playoff one.

Logically however the goalie that gets Washington is the one the Leafs team trust most essentially because its the toughest matchup on the schedule of the first 3.

Impossible to draw conclusions. Murray might get all 3 or Samsonov might. Most likely one of them will probably get two of the three which means nothing.

 

[Peasy]

Murray has only dressed in 2 exhibition games against last year's last overall finishing team Montreal.

Generally Q of C (quality of competition) is a good gauge and indicator as your better goalie generally draws the stronger competition.

Since Murray has already faced Montreal twice he likely gets the season start, since its the Habs on the schedule again. But then if Samsonov gets game #2 Washington a 100 point playoff team and then Murray gets game #3 Ottawa another non playoff team, then it appears Leafs are using Murray against non playoff teams and Sammy against the toughest QofC.

Murray gets the non playoff competition and Sammy gets the playoff one.

Logically however the goalie that gets Washington is the one the Leafs team trust most essentially because its the toughest matchup on the schedule of the first 3.

Yeah it aint that deep

 

[thusk]

Just curious about your views here.

Mrazek blew out his groin the first game and reinjured it and was never able to show what he could be really, Campbell was great until he took that rib injury (this is where things are murky...exactly when) and tried to play through it before going on the DL forcing Kallgren to play and he isn't even an NHL goalie.

Im pretty confident in Samsonov outplaying anything we had behind a starter and with Campbell holding a .935 until January 14th, do you think it was injury related or the fact he's never started a full season or both as to why he fell off a cliff?

Kallgren and Mrazek both had .888 save%s for the team last season right?
What is your prediction for Samsonov?

Campbell had a .914 save%.
What is your prediction for Murray?

If Murray doesnt take a hit like last season, do you expect him to be even worse than his .906 last season?

Toronto's team save% was .899 last year and that was with good D numbers.

The only way they get close to that number is if one of the 2 goalies blows up real bad IMO.

Murray, Before last game he played against arizona where ottawa played like an bottom Ahl team, he was at 0.916 saves %... i think if he can stay healthy in a team like toronto, somewhere between 0.915 to 0.930. I dont have any kibd of doubt than murray is a better goalie than Jack Campbell... and samsonov is a better goalie than mrazek... so i expect less goal allowed and better sv % from G

 

[DarkKnight]

I hope this doesn’t come across as negative for this its own sake, but more just an observation: You could sure see a lot mesh behind Samsonov last night, even when he made the save. It was quite noticeable and does confirm some analysis I’ve read that he isn’t big in the crease at times.

 

[Mess]

Impossible to draw conclusions. Murray might get all 3 or Samsonov might. Most likely one of them will probably get two of the three which means nothing.

Toronto has been sheltering Murray in hopes he regains his confidence, and bringing him along slowly as he missed the last 4 months of last year to injury.

Not only has Murray gotten the easier QofC he also usually gets more of the Leafs regular defense also, where Rielly, Brodie and Giordano are often dressed in front of him.

Samsonov has been treated like the backup, and tossed to the wolves of a better team Ottawa keeping his former team away from Murray, and has often an AHL line-up in front on him.

Samsonov gets Detroit's NHL team yesterday, and its expected Murray will get Detroit's AHL team today while most of Leafs starters will be dressed.

Conclusions can be drawn, as the clues are available to decipher and "Game is afoot"

 

[Nineteen67]

I hope this doesn’t come across as negative for this its own sake, but more just an observation: You could sure see a lot mesh behind Samsonov last night, even when he made the save. It was quite noticeable and does confirm some analysis I’ve read that he isn’t big in the crease at times.

He didn’t look great last night.

 

[zeke]

I hope this doesn’t come across as negative for this its own sake, but more just an observation: You could sure see a lot mesh behind Samsonov last night, even when he made the save. It was quite noticeable and does confirm some analysis I’ve read that he isn’t big in the crease at times.

Goals weren't exactly his fault but yeah they all kinda went through him. There was a 4th which trickled through him but just missed.

he made a bunch of good saves tho too.

 

[Stephen]

I hope this doesn’t come across as negative for this its own sake, but more just an observation: You could sure see a lot mesh behind Samsonov last night, even when he made the save. It was quite noticeable and does confirm some analysis I’ve read that he isn’t big in the crease at times.

He has tendencies that remind me of both Campbell and Reimer sometimes, which is playing deep in the crease at times and wanting the security of covering the lower ice in a scramble. The short blocker shoulder goal by Bertuzzi looked like a Campbell goal. Overall though there's enough athleticism, lateral movement and the big saves that is interesting to see.

I'm actually more interested in tracking Matt Murray. He's showing a very efficient game throughout preseason.

 

[Sypher04]

Samsonov does seem like a bit of a project for our goaltending coaches, but I think most of us figured that’d be the case. Like Campbell, there will be night where he’s an adventure and we will have to give him the run support to come away with 2 points - thankfully we’ve proven exceptionally capable of doing just this. I think the hope is that through teaching and practice they can iron out some of the less desirable tendencies from his game. Young guy, might just need a steady hand to guide him. The raw talent is obvious

 

[Leaf Fans]

Toronto has been sheltering Murray in hopes he regains his confidence, and bringing him along slowly as he missed the last 4 months of last year to injury.

Not only has Murray gotten the easier QofC he also usually gets more of the Leafs regular defense also, where Rielly, Brodie and Giordano are often dressed in front of him.

Samsonov has been treated like the backup, and tossed to the wolves of a better team Ottawa keeping his former team away from Murray, and has often an AHL line-up in front on him.

Samsonov gets Detroit's NHL team yesterday, and its expected Murray will get Detroit's AHL team today while most of Leafs starters will be dressed.

Conclusions can be drawn, as the clues are available to decipher and "Game is afoot"

No they can't.

 

[rocketman588]

Murray is 100% opening the season

Sets him up well to play mtl ( who are awful) and Ottawa his former team

Does the same for samsonov

Samsonov does seem like a bit of a project for our goaltending coaches, but I think most of us figured that’d be the case. Like Campbell, there will be night where he’s an adventure and we will have to give him the run support to come away with 2 points - thankfully we’ve proven exceptionally capable of doing just this. I think the hope is that through teaching and practice they can iron out some of the less desirable tendencies from his game. Young guy, might just need a steady hand to guide him. The raw talent is obvious

He's an ok gamble for a back up you don't get prime Roy for 1.6 mil and it could end up paying off big time. Was more excited about that then Murray just because we kinda know what he is

 

[kb]

I hope this doesn’t come across as negative for this its own sake, but more just an observation: You could sure see a lot mesh behind Samsonov last night, even when he made the save. It was quite noticeable and does confirm some analysis I’ve read that he isn’t big in the crease at times.

Agreed. It is one of the knocks against him. His subconscious 'default' is to back in closer to the goal line and lean forward when he starts relying on instincts. That leaves a lot of net available. May take some time for him to retrain his 'default' to be upright and out more.

 

[Stephen]

Agreed. It is one of the knocks against him. His subconscious 'default' is to back in closer to the goal line and lean forward when he starts relying on instincts. That leaves a lot of net available. May take some time for him to retrain his 'default' to be upright and out more.

Most of the time, I find goalies who are struggling with confidence or comfort level with the defense group to play deeper towards the goal line and play low to the ice, try to protect against as many chaotic factors as possible while surrendering too much of the top shelf. Look all the way back to a Felix Potvin. I think we'll be able to get a sense of where Samsonov is at relative to that forward lean, how small he makes himself up top and the way he protects the goal line.

 

[crump]

I’m ready for the rollercoaster ride. Based on previous seasons, between solid performances from Murray to holding my breath every time there’s a scrum or someone falls into him. We will never be comfortable until we’re deep in the playoffs. Even then.

Then Samonsov making 10 bell athletic saves then letting in a squeeker.

Sanford, the new goalie coach will be busy with these two, but right now I’ve seen positive play from both. We can still win with these two displaying average goaltending.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Big thing to remember is that Samsonov’s flaws won’t all be fixed in one month’s worth of practice and playing time. If all goes well and our new and (allegedly) improved goaltending department should have him minimizing those flaws later into the season.

 

[hockeywiz542]

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From Friedman's most recent 32 Thoughts podcast:

"It ended really badly between him and Toronto. And not just because of the contract talks and we have gone in depth on the contract talks about how the two sides were miles apart. But, I heard there were things that were said that both sides weren't happy with. And so Campbell, who has a reputation as a genial nice guy, I think he's angry about how things left and sometimes a bit of anger can be a good thing."

- Elliotte Friedman

 

[1specter]

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From Friedman's most recent 32 Thoughts podcast:

"It ended really badly between him and Toronto. And not just because of the contract talks and we have gone in depth on the contract talks about how the two sides were miles apart. But, I heard there were things that were said that both sides weren't happy with. And so Campbell, who has a reputation as a genial nice guy, I think he's angry about how things left and sometimes a bit of anger can be a good thing."

- Elliotte Friedman

Jack was a good dude and all but I hope he gets lit the f*** up in Edmonton. That city and its fans can lick my ass

 

[Mess]

Matt Murray ..

Game #1 .. 23 Shots 17 saves 4 GA .. .825 sv% .. 4.00 GAA

 

[robertmac43]

Not a good first impression for Murray tonight. Campbell currently giving him a run for his money in Edmonton though.

 

[makbeer]

1st and 3rd goals no fault on the goalie.

But the 2nd and 4th goals...wtf is that technique?

He is brutal - he is getting so low and small in his net, he is flaring out way beyond the posts and covering net that isn't even there while giving up a ton of net upstairs.

On the 2nd goal (lower picture) he doesn't even track the puck - instead it looks like he's trying to dodge it.

Also, i noticed he had really poor balance and kept losing his balance falling forward a LOT.

Not a good outing. Looking forward to Samsonov tomorrow.

 

[Stephen]

1st and 3rd goals no fault on the goalie.

But the 2nd and 4th goals...wtf is that technique?

He is brutal - he is getting so low and small in his net, he is flaring out way beyond the posts and covering net that isn't even there while giving up a ton of net upstairs.

On the 2nd goal (lower picture) he doesn't even track the puck - instead it looks like he's trying to dodge it.

Also, i noticed he had really poor balance and kept losing his balance falling forward a LOT.

Not a good outing. Looking forward to Samsonov tomorrow.

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Those two screen caps describe Murray playing too deep and too spread apart and a big part of the game he was trying to rebuild, to be more upright, more patient, more powerful laterally which looked good in pre-season. I think some of the Leafs track meet tendencies eroded the confidence over the course of the evening.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Mrazek snuck into the game wearing a Murray jersey.

Shake it off and get ready for the next outing. If you're lucky Holl will be traded by then.

 

[makbeer]

Those two screen caps describe Murray playing too deep and too spread apart and a big part of the game he was trying to rebuild, to be more upright, more patient, more powerful laterally which looked good in pre-season. I think some of the Leafs track meet tendencies eroded the confidence over the course of the evening.

Yeah, he needs to be patient, calm and positionally sound.

 

[Puckstuff]

The Murray situation is seriously scary.

It's to early to panic but this was a high risk move from day 1. We're committed to this guy now so getting rid of him mid-season if it doesn't work out is going to be prove to be difficult.