Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[The90]

Not absolving Dubas of his poor signings whatsoever but I think it’s really comical that so many people here don’t seem to realize that every team makes both good and bad signings. Just about every single season

Also, some of the ‘good’ signings, turn out to be bad. Just as some of the ‘bad’ signings, turn out to be good.

Much more popular to shit on Dubas and put up profile pictures with clown wigs though.

 

[Stephen]

well let's take a look to see if we can see anything at all. I dont like "scoring chances" or "High danger chances" as stats really but I sense that that's the kind of thing you're referring to so let's see what naturalstatrick thinks:

16-17 Playoffs (rank of 16 teams):

#8 Shot Attempts Against
#9 Unblocked Shot Attempts Against
#12 Shots Against
#12 Scoring Chances Against
#9 High Danger Scoring Chances Against
#8 Expected Goals Against

#6 Goals Against
#3 Save Percentage
#1 Shooting Percentage
#1 Goals For

Might be interested to see what the heat map looks like for the cup runs vs time in Ottawa. All I'm going on is In Goal Radio talking about how Pittsburgh did a good job of protecting from lateral plays which isn't a Murray strong suit (before he rebuilt his game). Looking at the Pens unremarkable defense, maybe it's a matter of pairing long wingspan guys who can disrupt those clean cross crease and backdoors along with an efficient enough puckmover/skater who can get the transition going quickly.

 

[zeke]

Might be interested to see what the heat map looks like for the cup runs vs time in Ottawa. All I'm going on is In Goal Radio talking about how Pittsburgh did a good job of protecting from lateral plays which isn't a Murray strong suit (before he rebuilt his game). Looking at the Pens unremarkable defense, maybe it's a matter of pairing long wingspan guys who can disrupt those clean cross crease and backdoors along with an efficient enough puckmover/skater who can get the transition going quickly.

could be.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not absolving Dubas of his poor signings whatsoever but I think it’s really comical that so many people here don’t seem to realize that every team makes both good and bad signings. Just about every single season

Also, some of the ‘good’ signings, turn out to be bad. Just as some of the ‘bad’ signings, turn out to be good.

Much more popular to shit on Dubas and put up profile pictures with clown wigs though.

The clown posse has indeed been providing entertainment all summer long. Unfortunately it's maybe 2 minutes worth of material that's been looping endlessly for months. If I was the sys admin, I would have killed this runaway nonsense a long time ago but whatever, can't wait for the games to start!

 

[ACC1224]

Not absolving Dubas of his poor signings whatsoever but I think it’s really comical that so many people here don’t seem to realize that every team makes both good and bad signings. Just about every single season

I imagine everyone realizes that, not sure why you'd get that impression.
Difference IMO, is many don't care what other teams do, they just care about this one.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Difference IMO, is many don't care what other teams do, they just care about this one.

Difference is that some ignore what other teams do, how things work, and what's common across the league, so they have no frame of reference and they think normal things happening here is egregiously horrible and all Dubas' fault.

 

[mydnyte]

Peksa has had a solid start to his season ...4 games, 2-1-1 .959
last season he was in MHL, now in VHL, so, a promising start after a decent season in MHL
I'm just hoping we have at least one diamond in the rough coming up.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Not absolving Dubas of his poor signings whatsoever but I think it’s really comical that so many people here don’t seem to realize that every team makes both good and bad signings. Just about every single season

That's what the Around the League and Free Agency threads are for.

Leafs fans are very critical of 95% of moves that other teams make, with an immediate winner/loser being determined.

Not so different to these Leafs-only threads.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That's what the Around the League and Free Agency threads are for.

Leafs fans are very critical of 95% of moves that other teams make, with an immediate winner/loser being determined.

Not so different to these Leafs-only threads.

What happens around the league provides context. I realize that context is something that people dumping all over Dubas either don't understand, or pretend not to understand but for those that don't have their heads buried in the sand, context helps us understand that the signings Dubas is responsible for are overall, not bad at all. Like the man said, some good, some bad, just like every other team in the league.

 

[GCK]

As a Sens fan Murray was a disappointment but he did seem to find his game after mid January last year. His biggest issues were constant injuries or illness and his glove hand. He gets beat high glove more than any goalie I’ve ever seen and he literally can’t catch the puck. Terrible fit in Ottawa but should be better in Toronto, hopefully for you guys he can get his level up to what Campbell gave you.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

As a Sens fan Murray was a disappointment but he did seem to find his game after mid January last year. His biggest issues were constant injuries or illness and his glove hand. He gets beat high glove more than any goalie I’ve ever seen and he literally can’t catch the puck. Terrible fit in Ottawa but should be better in Toronto, hopefully for you guys he can get his level up to what Campbell gave you.

I’m hoping he gives us more than Campbell gave us last season. After all, he was crap for most of the second half. Btw, Reimer also had a poor glove hand and he was ok in the 2013 playoffs. That Boston collapse was not on him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I’m hoping he gives us more than Campbell gave us last season. After all, he was crap for most of the second half. Btw, Reimer also had a poor glove hand and he was ok in the 2013 playoffs. That Boston collapse was not on him.

Agree 100%. The abuse Reimer took here after that loss was just obscene, that collapse was a team effort.

I don't visit other team boards much so I wonder, do fans of other teams scapegoat their goalies the way we do?

 

[GCK]

Agree 100%. The abuse Reimer took here after that loss was just obscene, that collapse was a team effort.

I don't visit other team boards much so I wonder, do fans of other teams scapegoat their goalies the way we do?

Yes.

 

[kb]

What happens around the league provides context. I realize that context is something that people dumping all over Dubas either don't understand, or pretend not to understand but for those that don't have their heads buried in the sand, context helps us understand that the signings Dubas is responsible for are overall, not bad at all. Like the man said, some good, some bad, just like every other team in the league.

You hit the nail on the head. Well said.

 

[Stephen]

Agree 100%. The abuse Reimer took here after that loss was just obscene, that collapse was a team effort.

I don't visit other team boards much so I wonder, do fans of other teams scapegoat their goalies the way we do?

All you have to do is look at the treatment Roberto Luongo received in Vancouver after going to the finals or Tuukka Rask his whole career in Boston to see that goalies get beat up in many markets. It’s the nature of the position.

 

[Gary Nylund]

All you have to do is look at the treatment Roberto Luongo received in Vancouver after going to the finals or Tuukka Rask his whole career in Boston to see that goalies get beat up in many markets. It’s the nature of the position.

Yeah I don't follow the other markets so I wasn't aware. Good if true though, it supports the argument that Leaf fans as a group aren't any worse (or better) then fans anywhere else which has been my theory all along.

 

[rocketman588]

The die have been cast at this point so we'll see what happens

I will say in regards to Campbell the dude seemed like he was rushed through whatever was going on with him post Colorado injury because the other options were terrible and his stats stuffed until the last month of the season.

I can at least respect that as opposed to Anderson just quitting basically

 

[TorMapleJays]

samsonov is going to get a chance right out of the gate to strut his stuff vs his former team!

 

[Mess]

I’m hoping he gives us more than Campbell gave us last season. After all, he was crap for most of the second half. Btw, Reimer also had a poor glove hand and he was ok in the 2013 playoffs. That Boston collapse was not on him.

Campbell gave the Leafs 49 games 31 wins 2.64 GAA and .914 sv% & 5 Shutouts. - Record: 31 - 9 - 6 = 68 points
vs.
Murray career best Pens 49 games 32 wins 2.41 GAA and .923 sv% & 4 Shutouts. - Record: 32 -10 - 4 = 68 points

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Campbell gave the Leafs 49 games 31 wins 2.64 GAA and .914 sv% & 5 Shutouts. - Record: 31 - 9 - 6 = 68 points
vs.
Murray career best Pens 49 games 32 wins 2.41 GAA and .921 sv% & 4 Shutouts. - Record: 32 -10 - 4 = 68 points

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

Murray career best is 32 wins 2.41 GAA .923 + 11 GP 7 wins 1.70 GAA .937 + Stanley Cup.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Campbell gave the Leafs 49 games 31 wins 2.64 GAA and .914 sv% & 5 Shutouts. - Record: 31 - 9 - 6 = 68 points
vs.
Murray career best Pens 49 games 32 wins 2.41 GAA and .921 sv% & 4 Shutouts. - Record: 32 -10 - 4 = 68 points

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

That was also Campbell's career best in his only season as a starter and he achieved it at 30 yrs of age. I also don't think Campbell can replicate these stats playing for Edmonton and their defence. Murray doesn't have to have a career year to be effective for the Leafs and their better defence. He just has to be consistent and healthy and make it to the playoffs. I believe there he will outshine anything Campbell has given us.

 

[kb]

Campbell gave the Leafs 49 games 31 wins 2.64 GAA and .914 sv% & 5 Shutouts. - Record: 31 - 9 - 6 = 68 points
vs.
Murray career best Pens 49 games 32 wins 2.41 GAA and .921 sv% & 4 Shutouts. - Record: 32 -10 - 4 = 68 points

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

Does the team played for and games played have anything to do with it?

Is everything OK? You never, ever have a single positive word to say about a 115 point team that was within one goal of eliminating the 2 time cup champs.

Perhaps you need to take time off to gain a little perspective?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

Not true at all. Murray's career best far surpasses what Campbell did last year. Heck, Murray last year surpasses what Campbell did last year. Team records aren't goalie stats.

 

[zeke]

Campbell gave the Leafs 49 games 31 wins 2.64 GAA and .914 sv% & 5 Shutouts. - Record: 31 - 9 - 6 = 68 points
vs.
Murray career best Pens 49 games 32 wins 2.41 GAA and .921 sv% & 4 Shutouts. - Record: 32 -10 - 4 = 68 points

Matt Murray will need to match his career best season of 2016-17 to give the Leafs what Campbell did last year.

thank you for demonstrating that the leafs are better than those pens were.

 

[ToneDog]

Not true at all. Murray's career best far surpasses what Campbell did last year. Heck, Murray last year surpasses what Campbell did last year. Team records aren't goalie stats.

Too bad you did not tell Holland who paid Soup 5x5 but luckily you never told Dorion or he would not have paid Dubas to take Murray.

It is ironic how early last year you said you do not need to pay for good goaltending but have shit on Soup the minute it was apparent Leafs we going in a different direction. Are you forgetting, Soup gave up less goals than Vasi in round #1 ?