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Combined Goalie Discussion Thread - PART TWO!

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In terms of team sv% the Leafs currently rank #11th OA with a combined .912 sv% on the season.

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Currently holding pace with TB and Vasilevskiy their likely 1st round opponent, with 2nd round opponent a league leading running higher at .932 sv%.

Leaf Nation was hoping they could get an average around .912 - .916 for their netminding and so far (barring injury) its holding up.
 
Samsonov now up to 8th in the league in total GSAx, and the 3rd best rate in the league, behind only Ullmark and Sorokin.

Leafs overall are on pace for the best goaltending season in the Matthews/Marner era.
 
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Mess said:
In terms of team sv% the Leafs currently rank #11th OA with a combined .912 sv% on the season.

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Currently holding pace with TB and Vasilevskiy their likely 1st round opponent, with 2nd round opponent a league leading running higher at .932 sv%.

Leaf Nation was hoping they could get an average around .912 - .916 for their netminding and so far (barring injury) its holding up.
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I'd assume if you took out Kallgren's 10 games it would fall between the Islanders and Rangers?
 
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Mess said:
In terms of team sv% the Leafs currently rank #11th OA with a combined .912 sv% on the season.

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Currently holding pace with TB and Vasilevskiy their likely 1st round opponent, with 2nd round opponent a league leading running higher at .932 sv%.

Leaf Nation was hoping they could get an average around .912 - .916 for their netminding and so far (barring injury) its holding up.
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How about using the results of 2 NHL goalies only?

Kallgren's stats are desperately needed for your......angle.
 
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Judas Tavares said:
I'd assume if you took out Kallgren's 10 games it would fall between the Islanders and Rangers?
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Yeah any bad starts removed would move the team up the rankings.
That wouldn't paint an accurate picture though unless you removed the rest of the leagues bad starts from the chart.

Hopefully the Goalies stay healthy and we never see Kallgren again but it could happen.
 
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If they both play good till the end of the season .
Who would you trade.
I would love to keep both but I don't think will be able to afford both .
 
ACC1224 said:
Yeah any bad starts removed would move the team up the rankings.
That wouldn't paint an accurate picture though unless you removed the rest of the leagues bad starts from the chart.

Hopefully the Goalies stay healthy and we never see Kallgren again but it could happen.
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I don't disagree entirely, especially since injury risk is a big part of the Leafs goaltending situation, but the idea that this is just "removing bad starts" is a little disingenuous.

If Vasilevskiy missed a couple months and was replaced by a dozen starts from their AHL backup with an .890 SV% or something, I don't think it would be accurate to look at their overall team stats as reflective of their goaltending.

Like with the Leafs overall numbers, I think that situation would reflect poorly on their depth, if anything, but it doesn't tell you much about their regular goalies.
 
Discoverer said:
I don't disagree entirely, especially since injury risk is a big part of the Leafs goaltending situation, but the idea that this is just "removing bad starts" is a little disingenuous.

If Vasilevskiy missed a couple months and was replaced by a dozen starts from their AHL backup with an .890 SV% or something, I don't think it would be accurate to look at their overall team stats as reflective of their goaltending.

Like with the Leafs overall numbers, I think that situation would reflect poorly on their depth, if anything, but it doesn't tell you much about their regular goalies.
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The bad starts was in reference to Kallgren playing.
I'm sure some of those other teams listed have played a 3rd/4th string goalie at some point.
I think we're saying the same thing. To have an accurate reflection of the goalie situation you have to use the same criteria for all teams. Some fans just wanting Kallgren removed and no one else isn't an honest way to look at it.
 
Discoverer said:
I don't disagree entirely, especially since injury risk is a big part of the Leafs goaltending situation, but the idea that this is just "removing bad starts" is a little disingenuous.

If Vasilevskiy missed a couple months and was replaced by a dozen starts from their AHL backup with an .890 SV% or something, I don't think it would be accurate to look at their overall team stats as reflective of their goaltending.

Like with the Leafs overall numbers, I think that situation would reflect poorly on their depth, if anything, but it doesn't tell you much about their regular goalies.
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Look at the Islanders as another example. Despite them currently having a .918% team save percentage, and a .922% for Sorokin, they are not in a playoff spot in either the Metropolitain or Wild Card. Plus, unlike the Leafs they haven't needed to play their third goalie due to injury.
 
SV% can actually be misleading. All goalies considered, Leafs have received the 5th best team GSAx in the league so far this year, behind Boston, NYI, Nashville, and Dallas.
 
ULF_55 said:
Might be the teacher?
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The willingness of the student was considered the issue.
According to Woodley samsonov refused to change his technique and that was an issue.
Speculation was his ego was I'm that good and don't need to change
 
ACC1224 said:
The bad starts was in reference to Kallgren playing.
I'm sure some of those other teams listed have played a 3rd/4th string goalie at some point.
I think we're saying the same thing. To have an accurate reflection of the goalie situation you have to use the same criteria for all teams. Some fans just wanting Kallgren removed and no one else isn't an honest way to look at it.
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Yeah, the Leafs are clearly an outlier there in a way that hurts the overall numbers. Kallgren has played 10 games... the ten teams ahead of the Leafs in SV% have combined for 4.5 games from goalies other than their top two (Pit has 2, Bos and Nsh have 1, Col has a little over one period). That's it.

I'm with you in that you can't pretend Kallgren doesn't matter, but if Samsonov and Murray are healthy they belong higher than 11th.
 
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Having Leafs recent playoffs taught us not to look too much into regular season stats. Price’s playoffs stats was nothing like his regular season stats.
Just enjoy the fact that we actually got two goalies that are stable and seem to be big time gamer. If anything, this tandem might work in Murray favor, since he got exp being a tandem goalie while winning the Cup.
 
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saltming said:
The willingness of the student was considered the issue.
According to Woodley samsonov refused to change his technique and that was an issue.
Speculation was his ego was I'm that good and don't need to change
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Perhaps, but that might indicate a lack of communication, and that isn't a one way street.

Getting through to know it all's, can be difficult.
 
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ACC1224 said:
They had better go with the hot hand. I would expect they will.
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I'm just guessing but if Keefe had a preference, I think he would want to go with Murray because of his experience winning 2 Stanley Cups as Pittsburgh's #1 Goalie.

However, as we have seen the past few games if Samsonov is playing well, he has no problems playing him. If the situation called for it in Game 1 I'm sure he would keep doing that.
 
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Leaf Rocket said:
I hope so but it seems like our goalies as capable as they are seems to go on streaks atm, which Is still better than what Campbell provided for us. I am curious about the decision process if both are on the same level
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I'll predict that Murray's playoff history wins out if both goalies are on the same level heading into the playoffs.
 
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