For the record, this club would be better off with Wiz than Prout (just not for the $$$ Wiz was making)
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For the record, this club would be better off with Wiz than Prout (just not for the $$$ Wiz was making)
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Nyquist can create chances on his own. And can carry the play. Nyquist Wennberg Saad would be unreal. However Nyquist cap hit is higher than Johnson.
Maybe Danny DeKeyser + Gustav Nyquist for Nick Foligno and Jack Johnson?
ends up being ( new contact ) + 4.750 for 5.500 + 4.375 cap wise.
Hopefully sign DeKeyser around 3.5-4.5 million and save about 1-2 million in cap space?
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That's not the Nyquist I've seen since his great debut. He's not better than Foligno in my opinion. He's a better goal scorer but I'll dissent from my fellow posters and say that the Jackets need playmakers more than goal scorers.
That trade looks very lateral to me. It might be an improvement for us, but in that case why would Detroit do it?
If we win the lottery, wow, does the face of this organization change. There would be all kinds of skill in the forward core. Speed too, which I don't think this organization has ever had across the board. Imagine this lineup.
Saad-Jenner-Atkinson
Milano-Matthews-Foligno
Calvert-Dubinsky-Bjorkstrand
Anderson-Wennberg-Bittner
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Prout
Bobrovsky
Korpisalo
This might be off some, but we're getting there. That's about 3/4 homegrown talent. There's more positivity then I think we're giving the organization credit for.
Saad-Jenner-Atkinson
Milano-Matthews-Foligno
Calvert-Dubinsky-Bjorkstrand
Anderson-Wennberg-Bittner
Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Prout
Bobrovsky
Korpisalo
This might be off some, but we're getting there. That's about 3/4 homegrown talent. There's more positivity then I think we're giving the organization credit for.
We need to also improve our percentage odds in the draft...If Edmonton can sweep the Canucks, and they can win any of their other 4 remaining games...and we continue to...struggle...that extra 7.5% would be overly helpful.
I need to see more from Milano than what I saw in the WJC. He had some flashes, but I didnt see the type of dominance that tells me he's ready for the NHL. Guess we'll get a better idea if he gets to play out the season up here
Is that next season or in two seasons?
Gotta move Clarkson, Boll, Campbell, Hartnell, Tyutin...all but Boll and Campbell have contracts beyond next season. Also - not sure they're going to give up on Wild Bill so soon.
If we land Matthews, I think he becomes #1 C and Jenner stays at LW but maybe not.
Viqsi
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I'd expect Dubinsky to be #1C until any heir apparent steps up, whomever that may be. If two step up, then and only then I think he'd be moved to the wing. And at the moment we really only have two candidates. (Unless, of course, lottery.)
Also, I presume that lineup has Clarkson and Campbell as #13 and #14 forwards and Tyutin as a spare blueliner. Hartnell's disappearance is alarming, tho.
^Maybe a better way to put it...I don't think we'll be icing 6 rookies next season as regular skaters. I don't know about the talent, but I just don't think there's enough trades out there to make it happen.
Does look like a decent enough lineups for '17-'18 though I prefer Karlsson at 4C, Wennberg up, and maybe Bittner isn't ready? Or Anderson doesn't improve? We'll see.
Does look like a decent enough lineups for '17-'18 though I prefer Karlsson at 4C, Wennberg up, and maybe Bittner isn't ready? Or Anderson doesn't improve? We'll see.
Viqsi
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Fair enough; the possibility of icing that many rookies is most of why I was worrying about "dump Boll and Campbell" discussions earlier anyways.
Fair enough; the possibility of icing that many rookies is most of why I was worrying about "dump Boll and Campbell" discussions earlier anyways.
I could see Campbell dumped at the TDL 2017, when the team is probably not in playoff contention again. That would allow a Bittner or Anderson to be called up for a couple months experience next spring.
I think the FO has too much pride to admit they missed on the Boll signing. He'll probably stick around for 50 nights in the press box and 7-8 fights in between.
And probably sign a 3 year, $7 million extension in the spring.
If by some miracle we land matthews, Dubi would be #1 and Wennberg and Matthews would be fighting for #2C. Not a bad situation to be in. Jenner, as bad as I want him to switch to C, wont have to. As long as Dubinsky is here and Wennberg and Karlsson continue down their current development projections there is no need for Jenner to play C when hes doing so well at wing. The only time I think we'll see Jenner move over is when we are banged up down the middle.
I am all in favor of giving Nick more time at center. Maybe he can be useful there. He has not been much help at wing.
Agreed. Here are the top three needs I think we have going into the off-season:
1. sniper on the wing (preferably right wing)
2. top-six center (our centers is playing one line too high in the lineup)
3. veteran defenseman with gas left in the tank (to mentor the young defensemen on being a professional)
1. We have plenty of goal scorers. First team with 4 20 goal scorers, it's a luxury to have more, not a need.
2. We have 4 guys who can ably play top six center - (Dubinsky, Foligno, Jenner, Wennberg). Maybe Matthews too.
You mean #1 Center, which we might not have. Maybe we'll get lucky and Dubinsky will score at a topline rate just like he was when we put him on the topline after the big trade. Maybe not. #1C is a need.Why do people always say top-six?
3. That would be great. Unfortunately it's not cost-effective to buy-out Tyutin and get another d-man to do his job. The $1.5m savings from a buyout aren't enough to cover the costs of a better d-man.
In short, do nothing (serious). The pieces for improvement are internal. It's just going to take some patience.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I disagree on #2. We have a center playing one line too high. I think Wennberg/Jenner/Foligno do just fine as #2C, as would Dubi; it's just that someone needs to play #1C and Dubi's the most consistently qualified.
I think we're also fine on goal scoring for the time being, so #1 would be nice but is probably a luxury.
#3 would be very, very nice, but I'm not sure of a way to do it at this juncture beyond "don't trade Tyutin".
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this C axis + Karlsson as 4C not bad at all, not stellar, but pretty good for our nearest purposes. Finally in 1-3 years Alex becomes true 1C ( Zettenberg like profile). I am ok with our C line, if we add McLeod ( because American) on draft it ll be fine
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niflheim
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then Matthews without alternatives
1. We have plenty of goal scorers. First team with 4 20 goal scorers, it's a luxury to have more, not a need.
2. We have 4 guys who can ably play top six center - (Dubinsky, Foligno, Jenner, Wennberg). Maybe Matthews too.
Why do people always say top-six?
3. That would be great. Unfortunately it's not cost-effective to buy-out Tyutin and get another d-man to do his job. The $1.5m savings from a buyout aren't enough to cover the costs of a better d-man.
In short, do nothing (serious). The pieces for improvement are internal. It's just going to take some patience.
1. When we are able to score goals, we manufacturer them. We don't have anyone that can do it on their own. This kind of player is needed to jump start a team from time to time.
2. This maybe should have been my #1. Wennberg is a second liner. Dubinsky is ideally a second. Karlsson would be a good fourth. Campbell shouldn't even be in the league. Better to have one guy playing too high than all four of them. The centers are our spine. Our spine is out of alignment.
3. It depends on how much of a liability you think Tyutin will be after another summer.
1. I would like to find out who realistically could be that guy. Who can score on his own? Patrick Kane? Phil Kessel? Ovechkin? I just don't know what do you want from the front office. Lets get to reality, cause I can say that I wanna three 70-points centers and it wouldn't mean a squat. I personally ok with the way the jackets are build on the wings. 4 20-goals scorers (two of them might get 30 till the end of the year), Foligno, Bjork, Milano... They're fine.
2. Funny that in the upcoming playoffs 4 teams are gonna dress former Jackets players as their top-6 centers. Neither of them was good enough for you to be a 1st line center in Columbus. I mean just couple days ago I saw your statement that Johansen is not a 1st line center, Brassard is not a 1st line center. I've got a feeling that only Gretzky could be that in Columbus.
3. Tyutin is reliable. He just gets paid too much for his role as a 3rd pair mentor.
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1. Do a search on this forum for the word sniper. We've already exhausted that topic.
2. Brassard was not good enough to be a #1 when he was here. Neither was Johansen. Will they be in the future? Brassard is well on his way. Johansen's problem is between his ears, so I suspect the right coach at the right time could get him there.
3. I agree with you that he gets paid too much to be a 3rd line mentor. As top or second pairing, he is no where near reliable. 3rd pairing? Sure.
I'll address only the point #1. I read this forums, but I did research to make sure I didn't miss something. All what you said in a year about snipers is that Neal is not one of them and that
No names. No real proposal.
I just didn't find the answer: who realistically could be that guy for the Jackets?
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