Columbus will "Not be the same team" in 2016/2017
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Johansen2Foligno
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CBJWerenski8
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Obviously it won't be the same team. This years team was different than last years when the season started, even more so now. There's not going to be major changes (like the johansen deal) but there is going to be moves made.
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The team is never the same year to year, lol. This isn't saying much. I'd be more interested if he explicitly said there would be a roster overhaul.
WannabeFinn
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well to be fair we did table offers to Martin and Ehrhoff then (eventually) traded for Jones
Well couldn't buy out a player on (LT)IR (Horton). This response of yours is a bit nonsensical. We can afford to play his contract to term but we can't afford to play him a little less over a longer period of time?
Perhaps you are using afford in that we couldn't pull a player out of our system to fill in his spot because we wanted to compete and we didn't have the salary to get a FA?
As far as AP goes, who knows. He's hit and miss on this team. I take everything he says with a grain of salt. I'm not going to try and figure out what he means. His idea of "not the same team" could be minor or, assuming he talked to someone in the org, his source could be exaggerating.
I doubt there is much beyond what we've been discussion for months. Tyutin and Hartnell being the most obvious. Maybe a JJ or a Foligno (although Foligno has a NTC for 4 years). Maybe he's going to try and move Bob. We have JK on record as saying that having Korp up here for 30 starts doesn't make sense (it doesn't, but I've been over that a few dozen times). Obviously there is Cambell and Boll to deal with. I doubt Savard is on the move, but I've said that I think we might need to free up a roster spot on D which makes JJ or Savard the logical target IMHO if Tyutin ends up staying (NMC). With our youth on D it might actually make more sense to move Savard to be honest (I'll probably hear some complaints).
The crazy one would be if we dangled Saad out there for some reason.
As I said for a while, the draft is what I'm looking forward to so I can get a feel on direction. Insanity would be going into next season with the same roster that seems to always get off to a slow start.
I'll be honest, that NMC/NTC on Foligno at those dollars/term was just poor. There is no way we should have given him that. The NMC was fine, but he didn't sign under market - no reason for the NTC.
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WannabeFinn
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Why? Because at the time of signing he was easily a top pairing D for the CBJ.
No I think the CBJ said they couldn't afford to have $5M sitting in the stands not playing every night. So they traded the injured $5.4M/year for the bad $5.4M per year.
If the CBJ could have afforded it they could have held on to Horton, placed him on LTIR and used the (relief) cap room if needed.
If they buy him out they get virtually no cap relief (they would spend more in cap even with a rookie salary taking his spot).
I would love for them to prove me wrong but the CBJ can't afford to buy him out. Maybe in 2017 or 2018 if it means having to protect him in expansion draft, but until that point he's ours.
Bottom line is the CBJ bought something they couldn't afford (Horton) and failed to get insurance on him. They couldn't afford to have him not playing and traded him for the worst contract in the league. It was a great move - For Toronto.
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Werenski could be on the team next year so with just him, team would be different from this year.
Also, in the past Portzline felt they need to upgrade the center position. Maybe he thinks they will get a new center. Didn't specify 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th liner though. Probably no cap for a 1st liner. I'm fine with Wennberg as a 2nd liner. Maybe a new 3rd liner with Karlsson as the 4th liner. Campbell is traded or a healthy scratch. Or Karlsson plays on the 3rd line and we get a new 4th liner.
Also, in the past Portzline felt they need to upgrade the center position. Maybe he thinks they will get a new center. Didn't specify 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th liner though. Probably no cap for a 1st liner. I'm fine with Wennberg as a 2nd liner. Maybe a new 3rd liner with Karlsson as the 4th liner. Campbell is traded or a healthy scratch. Or Karlsson plays on the 3rd line and we get a new 4th liner.
If we don't win the lottery, I could see us trading our first round pick as part of a package deal (prospect, Tyutin, etc.)
The word "afford" couldn't be used to describe this in the context of fiscally. One is no different than the other. You keep talking about the finances and that is nonsensical.
I know why they traded for Clarkson, even if it was moronic. Not because of Clarkson the player but Clarkson the contract. Actually I don't think they could "afford" to trade Horton for him.
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This exactly. Bjorkstrand and Rychel/Rychel/Chaput could easily force their way on the roster next year. Add in Werenski and the D has a completely different look to it. And, like Jones was in Nashville, he could benefit from being forced on the 3rd D pairing and 2nd pair PP. Not to mention a possible Korpi/Bob duo in net.
Crede777
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Yeah he did. He specifically tweeted that the defense would be overhauled and would "look completely different."
SuperGenius
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CBJ never made an offer to Ehrhoff and was never interested in him. That was a fan/media creation. I'm not sure about Martin, but it doesn't jive with what Jarmo said going into the season.
Their philosophy was that they wanted to see how far along the young defensemen were. They believed that if there were issues, they could make a deal as the season progressed. In JD's own words, they also expected too much of Murray early on (he's playing fine now).
Of course, these decisions basically cost the season but on the other hand, I don't think anyone could have expected literally everything else to go wrong at the same time.
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Sadly I have to agree. I think we could do something with one spot on defense and one on offense. Korpi should be the backup next year. That's more like a tweak than a makeover. Technically, Porty would still be correct.
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So now that it the team is essentially re-signed for next year presuming Jones and Karlsson are going to be what do you think should happen to make improvements/changes?
First thing I'd do is commit to burying Boll & Campbell in the AHL. Won't save any money but will buy almost 2 mill of cap.
Second I'd either trade Tyutin for whatever I could get (even retaining some if I had to) preferably a prospect and a pick to keep the cap hit down or buy him out.
Commit to Bjorkstrand, Rychel & Anderson to fill out the forward ranks and either go with 13 or add a depth FA for a mill or so.
Use cap savings to try and lock Jones up on a 6X6
Think about a trade with very few untradeables - Jones, Murray,Jenner are the only ones I wouldn't trade barring an unbelievable return. The rest I'd have no qualms about trading for an equal return.
I don't feel very optimistic about next season if we go with the status quo. Something has to change. Heck, even if we won the first 8 we'd still be a point out everything else being equal (which I realize probably wouldn't be).
First thing I'd do is commit to burying Boll & Campbell in the AHL. Won't save any money but will buy almost 2 mill of cap.
Second I'd either trade Tyutin for whatever I could get (even retaining some if I had to) preferably a prospect and a pick to keep the cap hit down or buy him out.
Commit to Bjorkstrand, Rychel & Anderson to fill out the forward ranks and either go with 13 or add a depth FA for a mill or so.
Use cap savings to try and lock Jones up on a 6X6
Think about a trade with very few untradeables - Jones, Murray,Jenner are the only ones I wouldn't trade barring an unbelievable return. The rest I'd have no qualms about trading for an equal return.
I don't feel very optimistic about next season if we go with the status quo. Something has to change. Heck, even if we won the first 8 we'd still be a point out everything else being equal (which I realize probably wouldn't be).
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