Collapse of the PAC-12: Oregon State & Washington State left in the dust
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Gnashville
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1970 3 teams (Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska) finished undefeated and all claimed the National Championship. One in the 1920’s season 8 teams claimed one
TN claims 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1967,
1998
There was once a great website that listed all the claimed NC’s in football but I can’t find it anywhere. Most claims by some schools are very flimsy or laughable (Tennessee’s 1967)
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mouser
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I was opining if B1G in their current form and history—today 8/2/23—had to pick between adding either Northwestern or Rutgers as an expansion team. Knowing what we all know today about both schools media market shares in Chicago and the NJ/NYC area.
The B1G has Illinois in the Chicago market. The NJ/NYC market for Rutgers is more open for the B1G, even if it doesn’t pan out.
From Wiki, For just coaches & AP polls:
The AP Poll and Coaches Poll have picked different final national poll leaders at the end of 11 different seasons since their first concurrent polls in 1950. This situation is referred to as a "split" national championship.
| Season | Champion | Record | Wire service poll |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1954 | Ohio State | 10–0 | AP |
| UCLA | 9–0 | Coaches | |
| 1957 | Auburn | 10–0 | AP |
| Ohio State | 9–1 | Coaches | |
| 1965 | Alabama | 9–1–1 | AP |
| Michigan State | 10–1 | Coaches | |
| 1970 | Nebraska | 11–0–1 | AP |
| Texas | 10–1 | Coaches | |
| 1973 | Notre Dame | 11–0 | AP |
| Alabama | 11–1 | Coaches | |
| 1974 | Oklahoma | 11–0 | AP |
| USC | 10–1–1 | Coaches | |
| 1978 | Alabama | 11–1 | AP |
| USC | 12–1 | Coaches | |
| 1990 | Colorado | 11–1–1 | AP |
| Georgia Tech | 11–0–1 | Coaches | |
| 1991 | Miami (FL) | 12–0 | AP |
| Washington | 12–0 | Coaches | |
| 1997 | Michigan | 12–0 | AP |
| Nebraska | 13–0 | Coaches | |
| 2003 | USC | 12–1 | AP |
| LSU | 13–1 | Coaches |
Then there's also a variety of other sources for selecting national champion where different teams get chosen as national champions.
24 or even 20 seem insane.
I'll say it again, if USC and UCLA can leave their history of the Pac12/Pac10 behind for money, I wouldn't be surprised down the line to see the OSU, Michigan, Penn State do the same. The top money drivers probably down the road decide to break away and setup their own brand new conference. Whether that is a 12 or 14 or 16 team conference it's up to them to decide how many they need to have the quality matchups, academic standards, and TV coverage/markets, etc.
20-24 schools is too many to ensure good matchups on a weekly basis. That's no different than being the what the Pac10 and Big10 were prior to the additions of Maryland, Nebraska, Rutgers, Utah and Buffalo respectively.
Paying more if Michigan plays PSU, OSU, UCLA, USC, ND, Oregon, Washington, etc. to get anywhere from 7-9 high quality matchups a year is worth big money vs. them playing lesser competition and only having 4 high quality matchups per year.
Spydey629
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I meant safe from State’s conference slowly imploding like we are witnessing with the PAC-12.
We are getting closer and closer to inevitable. College Football takes the European Super League route, with one league of 30-40ish schools playing each other as the top flight, separate from the rest of whoever else is left in the current 1-A configuration.
No Fun Shogun
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The only way a Big Ten or an SEC team leaves their conference is if an even bigger superleague moneymaker gets created, and if anything even the biggest dogs in their respective conferences like their gardens.
There's a reason why the Big Ten and the SEC don't get talked about as poachable targets, because they've got the money. The other conferences are other matters.
There's a reason why the Big Ten and the SEC don't get talked about as poachable targets, because they've got the money. The other conferences are other matters.
Why would they drop the alas Vegas part of the name? That's where the branding is. No one confuses UNLV with Reno. As for dropping the confederate memorial name, that I can agree with.
There are numerous states where the two largest athletic programs are at University of (state name)/(state name) University and (state name) State University/(state name) Tech. This would make Nevada one of them.
There's also the matter of those with the UNR camp derisively calling UNLV "Nevada Southern" which is their old name. The rebrand would be an attempt to end that.
GKJ
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This is still never happening. You should focus on how the schools out west pick up the pieces.
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mouser
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Thought that occurred to me is how long might the PAC hold together under the Apple TV deal?
Even if the remaining 9 PAC schools agree to give the Apple TV deal a try, I doubt the PAC can convince a majority of teams to go with a typical 8-10 year exit penalty on a new media deal.
If the schools can only agree on something like a 2-4 year exit covenant for Apple, there’s a heightened risk for the schools that they‘re left with less attractive dance partners in 2-4 years vs moving now if the media rights deal flops.
Even if the remaining 9 PAC schools agree to give the Apple TV deal a try, I doubt the PAC can convince a majority of teams to go with a typical 8-10 year exit penalty on a new media deal.
If the schools can only agree on something like a 2-4 year exit covenant for Apple, there’s a heightened risk for the schools that they‘re left with less attractive dance partners in 2-4 years vs moving now if the media rights deal flops.
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Spydey629
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To nitpick… the sports themselves are fine. It’s the management that is a total farce. From the top down.
MMC
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The Marquis
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Well yes, but isn’t that what we judge it on anyway?
BKarchitect
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Or not.
Last ditch effort by PAC leaders to save the conference ends with no result this morning.
ORWA still determined to leave, could be trying to leverage a few more $ out of the B1G since they won’t be getting full shares.
AZ is out the door, the PAC may have survived just losing them and the Buffs but it is clear there is no unity left in that conference.
This is all just sad drama if you are a PAC or traditional conference fan. The horses are out of the stable. We may keep hearing of more twists and turns but the end result will be the same. The Huskies and Ducks are certainly not locking themselves into a diminished PAC GoR and AppleTV deal. That’s pretty clear.
Spydey629
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MMC
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I will never understand fans feeling some type of loyalty to a particular conference. It's honestly one of the most cringeworthy things I see grown men doing in the professional sports world. I am a UCLA (mom went there, watched them growing up) and Georgia (bandwagon adopted in high school because I wanted a top football program to cheer for along with UCLA in basketball) and I could give a f*** less where either played. I actually prefer the Big Ten and their matchups for UCLA
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