Post-Game Talk: Cole's Minus/Minus Thread: The Pens duck a win to continue their impressive streak!

[vodeni]

I don't post much but have always enjoyed the Penguins chats because there are a lot of level-headed, knowledgeable posters here. But I have noticed more over-reaction to individual games than I used to, along with more knee-jerk negativity. No biggie, carry on.

you mean afterthe first five game losing streak in over 9 years, wonder why

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

NO BUT Sheary sucking is

I don’t think Sheary has sucked, but it is frustrating how often he falls. I’ve never seen a player fall so often, to the point it’s comical.

Last game he had a chance for an easy 2-1 when the game was only 1-0 and he of course fell down and the Kings player was able to get the puck.

He’s making nice plays with Crosby and Zucker.... but if I recall from his last stint, he did a lot of that as well to, but nothing usually ever came of it.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Oh Boy sure am looking forward to an 8 game losing streak after doing the job to San Jose tonight then lying down against Buffalo again, and then Washington after that.

 

[Gurglesons]

There in lies the Problem Sid gets to tell the CS who he wants & who he doesn't want on his line

As he should. He’s earned it as has Malkin.

 

[vodeni]

I got a good feeling about our game tomorrow. I think an injured D man is back too!

you really went on a limb here big time...

 

[OswaldBates]

This place gives the Pens Facebook page a run for it’s money when we’re on a losing streak good lord.

Go there, BYE

 

[Gurglesons]

you mean afterthe first five game losing streak in over 9 years, wonder why

We lost five games in a row literally last season.

 

[OswaldBates]

As he should. He’s earned it as has Malkin.

UMMM NO! do you ever get anything right? Sid gets who he wants & Geno gets sloppy seconds

 

[K Fleur]

Go there, BYE

This is the quickest I’ve ever hit the ignore button on somebody

 

[OswaldBates]

To be fair, I'm pretty confident Kahun wouldn't have fit with Crosby either. He's a line driver that wants to carry the puck, and that just doesn't work on a line with Crosby or Malkin. I don't see a problem in that they traded Kahun, the part to criticize is what they targeted as the return for Kahun. In Pittsburgh, Kahun was never going to be more than a 3rd line and he was going to want a lot of money this off-season.

OK Cool Trade him But don't get Sheary

 

[OswaldBates]

This is the quickest I’ve ever hit the ignore button on somebody

CONGRATS

 

[ronduguayshair]

This place gives the Pens Facebook page a run for it’s money when we’re on a losing streak good lord.

Fanbase is so spoiled.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You mean without right

To be fair, Tanev does only have 1 in the 6.5 games since ZAR got hurt, so maybe you're on to something

Tanev had 8 points in the previous 26.5 games before ZAR got hurt, which is pretty much a 25 point pace per 82 games. That's alright for a 3rd liner, but you want to see him closer to 30 or 35 points per 82 games with the usage he has gotten. His analytics haven't been good in the last 2.5 months and ZAR's analytics away from Tanev are actually substantially better than both Tanev's analytics away from ZAR and their analytics as a duo.

I think Tanev has limited offensive tools beyond his speed, so if he's not playing with guys who can generate some offense, I think he's going to seriously struggle to produce.

 

[Icarium]

you mean afterthe first five game losing streak in over 9 years, wonder why

Then again this place is all doom and gloom even after a one game losing "streak". Actually, most of the time half the posts are complaints even after a win.

 

[vodeni]

I like Crosby and Sullivan but the problem is:

This is the year you can’t cater to Crosby above everyone else. You deny it has happened in the past I don’t care, bottom line Crosby gets the top minutes, the preferred linemates, the special teams positional preference, the critical faceoffs, the last minutes of the game. That can’t happen this year. This year was about Geno taking hold of this team in Sid’s absence after a terrible year. He was among the top 3 players in the league when Sid was out and he has been chomping at the bit to maintain it since Sid returned. But he’s being played like he’s #2 even though Sid is not the same player right now. Sullivan has to stop playing by old rules. This year is different. Stack Malkin’s line and let him go. Unfortunately he won’t because he has a massive ego that is getting worse and Malkin just isn’t a good old North American boy. Take that how you want to.

Sullivan’s downfall is his ego. He’s great and has a ton of attributes that we need and that have contributed incredibly to our success, but pride is a poison that has the potential to erase everything else. His weird bias for certain players is bizarre and hurts the team every game. Trotman is not an NHL player. ZAR is not an NHL player. Sheary and Simon do not belong anywhere near Crosby. Rust on his off wing to make room for Hornqvist is insane after the year Rust has had. Rust isn’t the same player. Tanev is wasted on the third line in a bizarre display of Sullivan’s attachment to plugger lines. JJ doesn’t belong anywhere near Letang. The bias to Murray and refusal to go with the best guy has resulted in Jarry losing confidence and looking average, I can’t blame him, our goalie situation is all about Sullivan hoping Murray will take back the spot instead of playing the best player. Stop catering to Crosby. Stop talking about playing your best players and do it.

Sullivan always blames the players and almost never himself. The greats don’t do that. As a player there has to be a direct line between your play and whether you get to play. When there isn’t, it breaks the confidence you have in leadership. At that point it isn’t about the best player it’s about who the coach likes. You can’t win like that. Since 2017 it’s gotten worse. Since Crosby got back it’s snowballed.

what?????Sully blames players always...is this somekind quantum multiple worlds reality

 

[OswaldBates]

Fanbase is so spoiled.

says the Geno hater, so what shall we talk about ? How they have lost 5 games in a row to top notch teams?? NO?? lost 5 straight to non playoff teams ?? YES

 

[vodeni]

I bet if he got his wubby (Simon) back he would magically perk up. Sid is all about comfort and not having things around him change. That's why you are automatically going to see Jake play with him once he is fully healthy and ready to go. I would be willing to bet a lot of real or fake money that Sid would instantly look better if the lines were

Simon Sid Sheary
Zucker Malkin Rust
Marleau McCann Hornqvist
ERod Bleuger Tanev

And no this isn't me taking a shot at Zucker because I really loved that deal and think he is a great fit here, I just think Sid is way too picky and if something doesn't click immediately he isn't comfortable and it throws him off

I'd play Lafferty instead of ERod other than that thats perfect lineup

 

[Andy99]

Getting to red alert at this point...as I said previously, if the Isles win at home this pm against the B’s, who are so far ahead they have nothing to play for, and we lose to the Sharks, we’ll be dropping into a WC spot tonight...from first in the Metro to a WC in two weeks,..yikes

 

[K Fleur]

Getting to red alert at this point...as I said previously, if the Isles win at home this pm against the B’s, who are so far ahead they have nothing to play for, and we lose to the Sharks, we’ll be dropping into a WC spot tonight...from first in the Metro to a WC in two weeks,..yikes

Andy don’t lie, you’ve been at red alert since Christmas.

 

[vodeni]

We lost five games in a row literally last season.

my bad, heard on Penguins broadcast, just checked last year we had lost 9 out of 10 five in a row in November...

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

We lost five games in a row literally last season.

per the Trib

 

[Gurglesons]

per the Trib

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Regulation. Who cares?

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Regulation. Who cares?

Trib cares.
Also when you lose in regulation, you don’t get that losers point.

 

[TimmyD]

I say OCD

OCD or picky whichever way you want to frame it it's a pretty big issue because he never lets anything develop chemistry. If it doesn't click right away he just isn't comfortable and then it gets tossed aside. Like Emp said you might as well just put Zucker Malkin Rust together now and let that line try and click because Zucker has a 0% of playing with Sid past this season, if it even lasts that long. No one should be surprised if we see Simon Sid Sheary in the near future because I would almost guarantee it happens

 

[vodeni]

To be fair, Tanev does only have 1 in the 6.5 games since ZAR got hurt, so maybe you're on to something

Tanev had 8 points in the previous 26.5 games before ZAR got hurt, which is pretty much a 25 point pace per 82 games. That's alright for a 3rd liner, but you want to see him closer to 30 or 35 points per 82 games with the usage he has gotten. His analytics haven't been good in the last 2.5 months and ZAR's analytics away from Tanev are actually substantially better than both Tanev's analytics away from ZAR and their analytics as a duo.

I think Tanev has limited offensive tools beyond his speed, so if he's not playing with guys who can generate some offense, I think he's going to seriously struggle to produce.

he is who he is, but ability to change momentum and hustle game in game out covers for everything