Perfetti is on pace for about 30 goals and 60 points (per 82 games) this season, and he is looking more and more like he has more offense to add in his game. He's looking stronger and faster, and learning how to exploit the D. The surprising aspect might be how strong his defensive metrics have been. He's very reliable because he very rarely throws the puck away, is efficient in zone exits, and has very good awareness and positioning in the D zone.
Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick
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Not surprised at all by this ranking. I remember having him possibly going between 4-7OA of that draft, which is one of the reasons I was super stoked we were able to snag him at 10.
I remember some stating we should have drafted Lundell over Perfetti. Really glad we didn't!
Lundell was the proptypical good-enough highish floor lowish ceiling player whose maybe-next-season-he'll-break-out just okayness HFJ would have bitterly regretted for years even as folks ruthlessly posted Perfetti counting and fancystats in the Around the League thread to extend the reverse schadenfreude.
Lundell has his strengths.
But we got the right fella.
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I think that would still be open for debate. If we had taken Lundell he would be our 2C right now and getting more points than he has in Fla.
Very happy with Perfetti though. And I'll be a lot happier if he manages to take over the 2C spot.
GreatSaveEssensa
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Don't forget about Barlow and Chaz Lucious. Chevy has somehow managed to keep our prospect cupboard stocked while at the same time icing an NHL best leading team, with cap space to add some talent. Not bad for a small, undesirable market like Winnipeg. Chevy really is one of the top GM’s in the league.
Lundell spent his first two years joined at the hip to Reinhart so its not like he wasn't given high end offensive linemates. He also spent a decent stretch this year with him and Barkov. The usage and linemate argument doesn't really hold any water here given Cole has largely played with Name and Iafallo this year and is still destroying him in terms of production.
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I've long called him a solid B+ GM with no real vulnerabilities, but I'm definitely upping that grade this year, since he's now added piracy to his list of skills. A if not A+
Maukkis
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Had Perfetti (hypothetically) not been in the draft in 2020, I fail to see how we wouldn't have gone with Lundell. He was another one of the "fifth-year veteran at 18" type of prospects that the Jets tend to like - much like Perfetti was, as I recall reading at the time.
Definitely not complaining, though. And that's not even me being a Finn this time.
Romang67
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Lundell is just yet another Finnish prospect with a great year immediately after the draft who then promptly fell back to earth. I don't know why it keeps happening, but it sure is.
He hasn't really played with Barkov this season. Some 20% of his ice time 5v5 has been with Reinhart.
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And in those first 2 years he was scoring higher. Usage changed for both this year and the production flip flopped. Properly comparing apples to apples would take a lot more time and effort than I am interested in putting into it and would then change in future years.
Neither player is fully established or developed yet. Lets revisit this in 5-10 years.
He started the year with him if memory serves but was quickly dropped down due to not taking advantage of it.
I think he's tracking like how many thought he would. A good 3C who might be able to play 2C at some point.
Imo you always go for talent and upside in the top 10 and that is what we have done under Chevy.
He scored higher his first year but dropped significantly last year where he posted 33 points over a full season with similar usage as his first year. He was started in their top 6 this year but was dropped after not performing. Maybe Moe doesn't like him but his usage is indicative of his performance the last year and a half.
Gil Fisher
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I was interested in the 5v5 data here, but don't have a great source for sorting by draft class.
I scrolled through the 5v5 scoring though for this season and two previous, minimum 500 5v5 minutes. Perfetti was second from that class as far as I can see. His 2.04 pts/60 was just behind Luke Evangelista and just ahead of Tim Stutzle.
Cole is also just ahead of Mark Scheifele (2.02) and just behind Trevor Zegras (2.05).
Yup, same with Samberg!
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I don't think Names his holding Cole back - they are really good together.
You didn't say that in so many words but wanted to at least clarify that Names is a big part of that line's success - including Perfetti's (especially recently).
this just in - young highly touted players play and produce better with great linemates rather than 4th liners or scrubs.
Gil Fisher
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Fortunately he didn't have to learn the trade with Thorburn and Slater.
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Sometimes you have to learn the hard way
The point I was making is that Cole isn't being gifted the teams most skilled players to play with. The post I was responding to seemed to indicate that there was a discrepancy in caliber of linemates between Perfetti and Lundell. Both are playing with middle to bottom 6 types this year.
Infact it's his production with this caliber of linemate that sets him apart from his peers this year. Jarvis has ridden shot gun to Aho, Raymond to Larkin, Lafreniere to Paneran, Byfield to Kopitar.
While Name has played well he doesn't hold a candle to any of those centers/players. Also it was more Iafallo I was referring to. Names has a role on that line and does it well. Iafallo though is producing like a 4th liner at 5 on 5.
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No, he hasn't been gifted anything - and that might be the best thing that can happen to him in his young career.
It's possible that the best situation for Cole is the one he is in right now - and maybe that is why he is doing as well as he is.
It's a solid line that will be even better soon - I think the circumstances are perfect for Cole.
I wasn't meaning it as a complaint. I'm quite happy he's learning to drive his own line instead of being a complementary piece next to the teams driver like so many of his draft peers. It will serve him better in the long run. We know he can play with skilled players like Scheifele/Wheeler/KC/Dubois that he showed his first two years. Having a true driver is much more valuable.
I only brought up linemates to counteract the notion that Cole had it much better then Lundell.
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Lundell is on pace to have 28 points this season. Perfetti currently has 29.
Seattle King
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I was with you until you indicated Dubois is skilled...
To me Perfetti is getting a little better all around game every game he plays which is great. Namestnikov , Connor and Perfetti could be a very good line, not a second line but a 1B line.
