Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[ecolad]

I was merely responding to a post where the poster indicated that Name might be a better leader then those other players despite not being as good a player. I just put in my opinion that matter.

It seems you`re reading a lot more into my brief post than ever intended.

I simply wanted to make the point that Names value to the jets goes well beyond his contribution to hard scoring stats - and reaches to other things like his positive impact on whomever he is slotted with on the ice. His skills and particularly his competitive nature make him a very good role model as you said but I sometimes wonder if he doesn`t make his wingers and therefore the entire line more productive. There is an obvious growing chemistry between Names and Fetts at work here - as evidenced by the way they intuitively play as linemates ,and, as evidenced by the way they communicate on the bench. I`m personally looking forward to seeing how much this can grow.

 

[surixon]

It seems you`re reading a lot more into my brief post than ever intended.

I simply wanted to make the point that Names value to the jets goes well beyond his contribution to hard scoring stats - and reaches to other things like his positive impact on whomever he is slotted with on the ice. His skills and particularly his competitive nature make him a very good role model as you said but I sometimes wonder if he doesn`t make his wingers and therefore the entire line more productive. There is an obvious growing chemistry between Names and Fetts at work here - as evidenced by the way they intuitively play as linemates ,and, as evidenced by the way they communicate on the bench. I`m personally looking forward to seeing how much this can grow.

My apologies if I read more into it then you intended.

On your point in making his linemates better, its an interesting question. If that has always been the case why has he bounced around so much and never been able to hold a long term middle 6 spot on a team. It's not like he hasn't played for some good coaches in Cooper and Bednar. Whatever the reason he seems to have found a fit here with a coach that has given him a lot of trust.

Yes I like the growing chemistry but would like to see a bit more scoring from that line. Perhaps we get that when KC comes back and he gives the line another goal scoring weapon. But with Mark's injury we may get very different combinations now.

 

[ecolad]

My apologies if I read more into it then you intended.

On your point in making his linemates better, its an interesting question. If that has always been the case why has he bounced around so much and never been able to hold a long term middle 6 spot on a team. It's not like he hasn't played for some good coaches in Cooper and Bednar. Whatever the reason he seems to have found a fit here with a coach that has given him a lot of trust.

Yes I like the growing chemistry but would like to see a bit more scoring from that line. Perhaps we get that when KC comes back and he gives the line another goal scoring weapon. But with Mark's injury we may get very different combinations now.

I really have little to no knowledge of Names pre-Jets history and can`t offer much of an opinion. It may be the usual issue of whether circumstances on the teams provided real opportunity -don`t know.

If it were up to me (which it decidedly is not) , upon Connor`s return I would initially put KC back with Scheif/Vilardi , and resurrect the line of Ehlers/Names/Perfetti. I mentioned some time ago that the Ehlers/Names/Perfetti line seemed to show good chemistry together and I`d like to see that explored further. I`m not sure that KC would "fit" as well , even with his obvious shooter/scoring prowess.

 

[surixon]

I really have little to no knowledge of Names pre-Jets history and can`t offer much of an opinion. It may be the usual issue of whether circumstances on the teams provided real opportunity -don`t know.

If it were up to me (which it decidedly is not) , upon Connor`s return I would initially put KC back with Scheif/Vilardi , and resurrect the line of Ehlers/Names/Perfetti. I mentioned some time ago that the Ehlers/Names/Perfetti line seemed to show good chemistry together and I`d like to see that explored further. I`m not sure that KC would "fit" as well , even with his obvious shooter/scoring prowess.

I'd be fine with that as well

 

[LowLefty]

I really have little to no knowledge of Names pre-Jets history and can`t offer much of an opinion. It may be the usual issue of whether circumstances on the teams provided real opportunity -don`t know.

If it were up to me (which it decidedly is not) , upon Connor`s return I would initially put KC back with Scheif/Vilardi , and resurrect the line of Ehlers/Names/Perfetti. I mentioned some time ago that the Ehlers/Names/Perfetti line seemed to show good chemistry together and I`d like to see that explored further. I`m not sure that KC would "fit" as well , even with his obvious shooter/scoring prowess.

As for Names and what he was able (or unable) to accomplish with prior teams, I agree, it's hard to say.
In the end, if a player is performing well now, why even consider what he didn't accomplish through his career - unless this is about pedigree and less about his current game. It's not like he's scoring a bunch of fluky goals or riding on the back of other players. He's playing smart hockey and is very effective in helping drive that line - I agree, there is solid chemistry there.

Sometimes all we need to know is what is staring us in the face - and sometimes the grass is not always greener.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well, I would say back to back not great years. Last year he 33 points in 73 games and 2 goals in 21 playoff games.

At this age you should advancing each year, he has actually regressed each year since his rookie campaign.

Seemingly very different trajectories between the two to me.

Possibly, but I think it is too soon for that too. He plays on a very strong team. Prime minutes are hard to come by. If in 5 years Lundell is a 3C and Perfetti is a top line winger we will be able to conclude that Perfetti was the better pick. Or even in 3 years. But right now it is just too soon.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Possibly, but I think it is too soon for that too. He plays on a very strong team. Prime minutes are hard to come by. If in 5 years Lundell is a 3C and Perfetti is a top line winger we will be able to conclude that Perfetti was the better pick. Or even in 3 years. But right now it is just too soon.

You're right, you're right; I know you're right.








But Perfetti was, is and will be the better pick for the Winnipeg Jets.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You're right, you're right; I know you're right.








But Perfetti was, is and will be the better pick for the Winnipeg Jets.

Certainly looking that way right now - but we still need a 2C.

 

[surixon]

Certainly looking that way right now - but we still need a 2C.

It will be interesting to see if the plan is still to put him there at some point. I have a hard time seeing how they could make a longterm determination one way or another based on the three games he got there at the start of the year.

He hasn't been taking a lot of draws lately due to his wrist not being 100% according to Bones but he was still swapping a bit with Gabe last night at the C position.

At some point they need to give one or both an extended run at C. It might not be until next year though given how this year has gone.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It will be interesting to see if the plan is still to put him there at some point. I have a hard time seeing how they could make a longterm determination one way or another based on the three games he got there at the start of the year.

He hasn't been taking a lot of draws lately due to his wrist not being 100% according to Bones but he was still swapping a bit with Gabe last night at the C position.

At some point they need to give one or both an extended run at C. It might not be until next year though given how this year has gone.

SXM NHL was talking about Jets today. In the part of it I caught they brought up 2 things. They interpreted what has happened with Perfetti as being that moving to a wing "has opened things up for him". I see it just as him having progressed since the early season. I think it is past time to take another look at him at C but I don't expect to see it while they are on a winning streak and battling for 1st in the league.

I want to see Vilardi tried at C to but I wouldn't touch the top line right now. If Scheif is going to miss some games, this might be the time to look at one or the other of them.

 

[surixon]

SXM NHL was talking about Jets today. In the part of it I caught they brought up 2 things. They interpreted what has happened with Perfetti as being that moving to a wing "has opened things up for him". I see it just as him having progressed since the early season. I think it is past time to take another look at him at C but I don't expect to see it while they are on a winning streak and battling for 1st in the league.

I want to see Vilardi tried at C to but I wouldn't touch the top line right now. If Scheif is going to miss some games, this might be the time to look at one or the other of them.

Yeah I also don't really buy that it has opened things up for him. He just simply has improved and some of his linemates have gotten their games on track as well. Fly wasn't playing very well for the first 10 or so games due to coming back from his injury.

I also doubt we see a change anytime soon baring injuries.

 

[pegcity]

As much as I'd like Perfetti to sign long-term at the end of the season, I don't think the Jets can afford it. We'd either lose Demelo or Dillion, and with how great our defense has been, I can't imagine they will want to lose either. We don't have anyone in the system to fill those holes.

 

[10Ducky10]

Overcharge will probably tell him to take the bridge.

 

[Maukkis]

As much as I'd like Perfetti to sign long-term at the end of the season, I don't think the Jets can afford it. We'd either lose Demelo or Dillion, and with how great our defense has been, I can't imagine they will want to lose either. We don't have anyone in the system to fill those holes.

Bye bye Dillon, then. That's a non-issue with Samberg and Chisholm.

That said, even then we might struggle with going long-term. The money is going to be tight with a lot of mid-tier players making actual dollars now.

 

[pegcity]

Bye bye Dillon, then. That's a non-issue with Samberg and Chisholm.

That said, even then we might struggle with going long-term. The money is going to be tight with a lot of mid-tier players making actual dollars now.

The problem with this is Dillion is defensive and Chisholm is a puck mover. Chisholm/Heniola replaces Schmidt at the end of next season.

With Dillion out of the line-up, Stanley replaces him.

Which is why I think they re-sign Dillion & Demelo and bridge Perfetti (unless they can trade Schmidt). Trading Schmidt solves a lot of problems.

 

[surixon]

The problem with this is Dillion is defensive and Chisholm is a puck mover. Chisholm/Heniola replaces Schmidt at the end of next season.

With Dillion out of the line-up, Stanley replaces him.

Which is why I think they re-sign Dillion & Demelo and bridge Perfetti (unless they can trade Schmidt). Trading Schmidt solves a lot of problems.

They will buy Schimdt out and replace him with Heinola.

 

[KingBogo]

Bye bye Dillon, then. That's a non-issue with Samberg and Chisholm.

That said, even then we might struggle with going long-term. The money is going to be tight with a lot of mid-tier players making actual dollars now.

There isn't a stich of evidence that suggests the Jets see Chisholm as anything more than deep depth and certainly not a replacement for Dillon who is an important part of their defense. Chisholm is now 24 y/o on a league minimum 2-way contract and has played a grand total of 4 NHL games. The organization seems to have no problem letting him wither away in the PB as he is currently #8 behind Stanley and very likely gets waived as soon as Heinola gets called back up to the Jets.

 

[Gil Fisher]

There isn't a stich of evidence that suggests the Jets see Chisholm as anything more than deep depth and certainly not a replacement for Dillon who is an important part of their defense. Chisholm is now 24 y/o on a league minimum 2-way contract and has played a grand total of 4 NHL games. The organization seems to have no problem letting him wither away in the PB as he is currently #8 behind Stanley and very likely gets waived as soon as Heinola gets called back up to the Jets.

There might be a stitch of evidence, as they have him above Capo whom played a number of games last year. I also wouldn't be surprised if Heinola remained on the Moose until rosters expand, but we'll see on that one...could go either way.

Edit: not to suggest that the Jets are banking on him in the Top 6 next year after the departures of 2 of 2, 5 and 88.

 

[KingBogo]

There might be a stitch of evidence, as they have him above Capo whom played a number of games last year. I also wouldn't be surprised if Heinola remained on the Moose until rosters expand, but we'll see on that one...could go either way.

Edit: not to suggest that the Jets are banking on him in the Top 6 next year after the departures of 2 of 2, 5 and 88.

Okay Capo is even deeper depth. If Chisholm was obtained any other way other than through their own draft pick people would give him even less of a passing glance then they give Capo. When your stuck behind Stanley you aren't high on the team's future plans.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

They will buy Schimdt out and replace him

I think its time to lock up perfetti and ehlers at the same time. Losing schmidt , iafallo and demelo being the price

 

[roccerfeller]

We should find a way to hold on to demelo

 

[Gil Fisher]

Okay Capo is even deeper depth. If Chisholm was obtained any other way other than through their own draft pick people would give him even less of a passing glance then they give Capo. When your stuck behind Stanley you aren't high on the team's future plans.

Heinola was stuck behind Stanley for 2-3 years.

 

[KingBogo]

Heinola was stuck behind Stanley for 2-3 years.

Heinola is still on his ELC and seemed to be graduating into a roster role before his injury. Once you move past team protection and still 2 or more places outside of regular usage you are depth. Sorry if you are a fan of Chisholm, but he is almost certainly down the deep depth path of Petan and others that didn't quite make it.

 

[gibber1600]

I don't care what anyone says.
If he wants to sign a 50m deal over 7 years, I'd sign him tomorrow.
Especially with overcharge as his agent.

Yup, He is definitely going to a great player. Gotta lock up these guys. I believe we can do 8 years but, the player would probably want 7.

 

[10Ducky10]

Yup, He is definitely going to a great player. Gotta lock up these guys. I believe we can do 8 years but, the player would probably want 7.

I think Overcharge tells him to bridge.