Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[Channelcat]

I'm not even sure what we are debating here......but Perfetti is already a star in my opinion and he'll only get better.

 

[Jet]

Oh, btw - our Cole is now statistically better than the other Cole - more points despite playing a line down with limited pp time. My Habs friend is eating his words now.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Oh, btw - our Cole is now statistically better than the other Cole - more points despite playing a line down with limited pp time. My Habs friend is eating his words now.

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is it my age or not enough coffee?

 

[surixon]

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Caufield on the Habs

 

[Jet]

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is it my age or not enough coffee?

Caulfield

 

[BoneDocUK]

Caulfield

Cole WhoField?

I think we've always been aware of PerfPlaymaker's ability to read well off his linemates and create at a high level -- we saw in his first NHL games some passes that took some very good players by surprise.

Now we're seeing, IMO, him calibrating to linemates and developing real chemistry with Names, with each elevating the other. Hard to watch that pass by Names from the corner and not see some real skill and vision there, while CP's snipe from his back foot shows him relentlessly winning the puck before burying it, pulling a scoring chance from thin air.

While I'd agree that Names is no Aho, Larkin or Scheifele, he's plenty good enough to not bring that line down -- and maybe better than that. II think we are watching line chemistry develop before our eyes, and t's possible that Vladdy has been waiting years for a Cole Perfetti to come along and finally understand him...

However it's happening, it's great to see, and bodes well for CP being a key piece in the Jets; future, whoever he plays with.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Don't forget about Barlow and Chaz Lucious. Chevy has somehow managed to keep our prospect cupboard stocked while at the same time icing an NHL best leading team, with cap space to add some talent. Not bad for a small, undesirable market like Winnipeg. Chevy really is one of the top GM’s in the league.

For sure.

I'm pretty high on Barlow still -- archetypal KC-style predator with who thinks the game well and has some very nice hands in tight.

I've enjoyed watching Chaz but honestly haven't seen him play for ages but he has some fine tools also. Hopefully he gets to a point where he can stay healthy for long enough to take that next step.

 

[surixon]

Cole WhoField?

I think we've always been aware of PerfPlaymaker's ability to read well off his linemates and create at a high level -- we saw in his first NHL games some passes that took some very good players by surprise.

Now we're seeing, IMO, him calibrating to linemates and developing real chemistry with Names, with each elevating the other. Hard to watch that pass by Names from the corner and not see some real skill and vision there, while CP's snipe from his back foot shows him relentlessly winning the puck before burying it, pulling a scoring chance from thin air.

While I'd agree that Names is no Aho, Larkin or Scheifele, he's plenty good enough to not bring that line down -- and maybe better than that. II think we are watching line chemistry develop before our eyes, and t's possible that Vladdy has been waiting years for a Cole Perfetti to come along and finally understand him...

However it's happening, it's great to see, and bodes well for CP being a key piece in the Jets; future, whoever he plays with.

They just need to upgrade Iafallo on that line imo. KC can't come back fast enough.

 

[surixon]

For sure.

I'm pretty high on Barlow still -- archetypal KC-style predator with who thinks the game well and has some very nice hands in tight.

I've enjoyed watching Chaz but honestly haven't seen him play for ages but he has some fine tools also. Hopefully he gets to a point where he can stay healthy for long enough to take that next step.

Chaz to me is looking more and more like the odd man out. We don't have enough spots for everyone moving forward if we retain Fly and KC.

 

[Jets 31]

They just need to upgrade Iafallo on that line imo. KC can't come back fast enough.

I don't know i think that line is playing very well right now with Iafallo, obviously it would be better with Connor but i think Iafallo has been ok at doing his job on that line.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lundell is on pace to have 28 points this season. Perfetti currently has 29.

How is Lundell being used this year?

 

[surixon]

How is Lundell being used this year?

62% of 5 on 5 time on the third line with Cousins and Luostarinen.

But due to Sam Bennett missing 12 of the first 13 games of the year he got an extended look in the top 6 to start. In the season he had gotten 1 of Reinhart/Tkachuk for 166 of his 442 5 on 5 minutes.

His performance with them was awful. Him and Reinhart posted a 45 xGf. Sam is spotting a 61 xgf without Lundell.

Tkachuk and him had a very poor 41xgf% together. Tkachuk has a 59 XGF% without him

Lundell has a 51 XGF% without either. So he was given a chance to take the second line center spot with Bennett injured and shit the bed.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

62% of 5 on 5 time on the third line with Cousins and Luostarinen.

But due to Sam Bennett missing 12 of the first 13 games of the year he got an extended look in the top 6 to start. In the season he had gotten 1 of Reinhart/Tkachuk for 166 of his 442 5 on 5 minutes.

His performance with them was awful. Him and Reinhart posted a 45 xGf. Sam is spotting a 61 xgf without Lundell.

Tkachuk and him had a very poor 41xgf% together. Tkachuk has a 59 XGF% without him

Lundell has a 51 XGF% without either. So he was given a chance to take the second line center spot with Bennett injured and shit the bed.

So ..... he is having a bad year.

I still say it is too soon to compare them. Come back in 5 years.

 

[ecolad]

The point I was making is that Cole isn't being gifted the teams most skilled players to play with. The post I was responding to seemed to indicate that there was a discrepancy in caliber of linemates between Perfetti and Lundell. Both are playing with middle to bottom 6 types this year.

Infact it's his production with this caliber of linemate that sets him apart from his peers this year. Jarvis has ridden shot gun to Aho, Raymond to Larkin, Lafreniere to Paneran, Byfield to Kopitar.

While Name has played well he doesn't hold a candle to any of those centers/players. Also it was more Iafallo I was referring to. Names has a role on that line and does it well. Iafallo though is producing like a 4th liner at 5 on 5.

Perhaps not in production stats. But imo Names may be the best possible on-ice mentor for Perfetti - something I know you are looking for. Names has a work ethic that is well above average - in both offensive and defensive situations in all zones of the ice. He is setting a great example of how to play as a slightly under-sized C while still producing and avoiding injury - and I am confident that Fetts is taking note and learning.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Perhaps not in production stats. But imo Names may be the best possible on-ice mentor for Perfetti - something I know you are looking for. Names has a work ethic that is well above average - in both offensive and defensive situations in all zones of the ice. He is setting a great example of how to play as a slightly under-sized C while still producing and avoiding injury - and I am confident that Fetts is taking note and learning.

And ignoring the noise as everyone thinks you should be bumped down.

 

[surixon]

Perhaps not in production stats. But imo Names may be the best possible on-ice mentor for Perfetti - something I know you are looking for. Names has a work ethic that is well above average - in both offensive and defensive situations in all zones of the ice. He is setting a great example of how to play as a slightly under-sized C while still producing and avoiding injury - and I am confident that Fetts is taking note and learning.

Yes, he's definitely a good role model and Cole has spoken highly of him. As I said he has a role on that line and does it well.

But I'd argue a player like Aho or Giroux would be equally good if not better mentors. Both are similar sized and play strong all around games but with a much higher level of offense than Vlad.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

I don't know i think that line is playing very well right now with Iafallo, obviously it would be better with Connor but i think Iafallo has been ok at doing his job on that line.

Yea he’s playing good on that line, but if we want to be a true contender we want KC in that spot so they can be great. Having two top tier 1st lines is something not a lot of teams can defend against. One of them is feasting on the other teams weaker D men

 

[Jets 31]

Yea he’s playing good on that line, but if we want to be a true contender we want KC in that spot so they can be great. Having two top tier 1st lines is something not a lot of teams can defend against. One of them is feasting on the other teams weaker D men

Me personally i would have Connor there when he's back and then put Iafallo on our 3rd line with Lowry and Neo then Appleton on the 4th .

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Me personally i would have Connor there when he's back and then put Iafallo on our 3rd line with Lowry and Neo then Appleton on the 4th .

Well once we get our 2c (Lindholm?) we can bump both Names and Iafallo down to the 4th line to play with Barron. Now thats depth….

Ehlers Scheif Vialrdi
Perfetti Lindholm Connor
Niederaiter Lowry Appels
Barron Names Iafallo.

A line up to give opposing teams nightmares in my opinion.

 

[NA Hockey]

So ..... he is having a bad year.

I still say it is too soon to compare them. Come back in 5 years.

Well, I would say back to back not great years. Last year he 33 points in 73 games and 2 goals in 21 playoff games.

At this age you should advancing each year, he has actually regressed each year since his rookie campaign.

Seemingly very different trajectories between the two to me.

 

[LowLefty]

Yes, he's definitely a good role model and Cole has spoken highly of him. As I said he has a role on that line and does it well.

But I'd argue a player like Aho or Giroux would be equally good if not better mentors. Both are similar sized and play strong all around games but with a much higher level of offense than Vlad.

I'm not sure what it is you are arguing -
Yes, there are better players than Names - absolutely.
But that doesn't realistically mean that Cole will be playing with them -
And since he is not, he might consider himself fortunate to be playing with a center that can teach him a thing or two.
And based on how things are progressing, that's exactly what appears to be happening.

 

[surixon]

I'm not sure what it is you are arguing -
Yes, there are better players than Names - absolutely.
But that doesn't realistically mean that Cole will be playing with them -
And since he is not, he might consider himself fortunate to be playing with a center that can teach him a thing or two.
And based on how things are progressing, that's exactly what appears to be happening.

The poster said he'd be the best mentor, I merely argued that some of the other centers that had more offense to their game might be better due to also having more offense in their game as they can better mentor that aspect of the game.

Not sure why you are taking offense, I gave him credit for his mentorship.

 

[LowLefty]

The poster said he'd be the best mentor, I merely argued that some of the other centers that had more offense to their game might be better due to also having more offense in their game as they can better mentor that aspect of the game.

Not sure why you are taking offense, I gave him credit for his mentorship.

Not offended - just curious as to why you would list a bunch of players that are not on this team and are not available to support your argument.
There are always better players -

 

[BoneDocUK]

Not offended - just curious as to why you would list a bunch of players that are not on this team and are not available to support your argument.
There are always better players -

If only...

 

[surixon]

Not offended - just curious as to why you would list a bunch of players that are not on this team and are not available to support your argument.
There are always better players -

I was merely responding to a post where the poster indicated that Name might be a better leader then those other players despite not being as good a player. I just put in my opinion that matter.