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Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

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Grigowski said:
I have a hard time to believe that Cmac and Colorado showed no interest to sign Rants long term.....

It the AVS indeed really were stuck on this 11.25 x 8 i really hope Rants gets his money elsewhere and i fully understand that he is pissed.....
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If the Avs were never willing to entertain anything beginning with a 12, then they had no interest.

Chiarelli said:
Wondering who gets the "A" on their jersey that Rants wore? (Toews?)
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No one, because Landeskog will be back soon enough
 
MacKinnon is ranked as the 2nd best skater in the league according to NHL Edge analytics.

Necas is ranked as the 8th best skater in the league according to NHL Edge analytics.

Necas: 55 P in 49 GP @ 18:05 TOI w/ Kotkaniemi

Rantanen: 64 P in 49 GP @ 22:30 TOI w/ MacKinnon

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LOFIN said:
Then again, if there hasn't been any real improvement on the 11.25x8 offer that was made by the Avs earlier in the season, that's really disappointing.


Sure, but if that AAV was say 11.5, then that's just moronic. I know some of you think Mikko doesn't even deserve that, but a deal beginning with 12 at least should've been offered. I maintain that the Avs have made the right call, if Mikko demanded more than MacKinnon. If he was willing to sign for less than MacKinnon, but the Avs never even offered around 12M, then this f***ing sucks.
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Friedman said quite clearly last night that Rantanen wants 14m AAV. 7, 8 year deal, it doesn’t matter.

His agent signed the Draisaitl deal and that changed everything. At that moment, Rantanen and camp decided he was a 14m player.
 
LOFIN said:
Then again, if there hasn't been any real improvement on the 11.25x8 offer that was made by the Avs earlier in the season, that's really disappointing.


Sure, but if that AAV was say 11.5, then that's just moronic. I know some of you think Mikko doesn't even deserve that, but a deal beginning with 12 at least should've been offered. I maintain that the Avs have made the right call, if Mikko demanded more than MacKinnon. If he was willing to sign for less than MacKinnon, but the Avs never even offered around 12M, then this f***ing sucks.
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In a vacuum, sure. We don’t know, and maybe we’ll find out the numbers that were in play at some point, but you just have to know they weren’t going to pay Mikko more than Nate, for more than one reason. I just don’t think they’ll pay anyone other than Cale more than Nate.

Now if they were going to do 12ish but less than Nate and he said no - well that’s on Mikko. If the Avs were actually lowballing him the whole time, then they definitely had a plan in mind, and a damn risky one. It’s entirely possible they had examined all the outcomes and decided he wasn’t going to be worth a long heavy contract and drew a line in the sand where they felt comfortable.

This move might be the wrong one and very well could backfire but CMac has a set on him and I can’t imagine getting more robust return than the one he got and this might just be the first domino. Exciting time to be an Aves.
 
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RoyIsALegend said:
Friedman said quite clearly last night that Rantanen wants 14m AAV. 7, 8 year deal, it doesn’t matter.

His agent signed to Draisaitl deal and that changed everything. At that moment, Rantanen and camp decided he was a 14m player.
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I'm not an actual betting man, but I can bet you his next deal starts with less than 13M if he re-signs with Carolina. Other sources have pointed it out plenty of times, the ask is between 11.75-12.5
 
RoyIsALegend said:
Friedman said quite clearly last night that Rantanen wants 14m AAV. 7, 8 year deal, it doesn’t matter.

His agent signed to Draisaitl deal and that changed everything. At that moment, Rantanen and camp decided he was a 14m player.
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He's not going to get 14 anywhere but the middle ground may have been 12.5 - 13 which is till too much. Especially for the Avs right now.
 
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RoyIsALegend said:
Friedman said quite clearly last night that Rantanen wants 14m AAV. 7, 8 year deal, it doesn’t matter.

His agent signed to Draisaitl deal and that changed everything. At that moment, Rantanen and camp decided he was a 14m player.
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So it's about ego more than money. 7 or 8 years matters a lot if you're looking at the money. When his 7 year deal ends he's not gonna be cashing in again.
 
This is fun guys, thanks for making news with us.

I’m very interested to see how Necas does with MacKinnon. People are speculating that because they’re both great skaters they’ll be natural fits next to each other. In my observation in Carolina, Necas performed better with guys who deferred to him and let him be the central play driver. In fact, when he was leading the league in points in the Nov/Dec timeframe this year, he was doing it primarily on a line with Eric Robinson and Jesperi Kotkaniemi. Necas is kind of diet MacKinnon, who also (at least in my observation, y’all know him better) tends to be the primary play driver and puck carrier on his line.

All combos are worth trying out, but it wouldn’t surprise me if instead of a dynamic MacKinnon-Necas combo on line 1, you end up with MacKinnon on line 1 and then Necas (diet MacKinnon) on line 2 or 3 with guys who are more comfortable forechecking, doing the dirty work, and deferring the puck carrying (Colton, maybe even Drury on a 3rd line, etc.)
 
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Sometimes in summer:

"The Colorado Avalanche has signed UFA RW Mikko Rantanen (Carolina Hurricanes) to a 8-year 100 million US $ contract".

Mr. Rantanen reportedly was "tired of hayloft, rednecks and windmills (wind power plants)". He also misses his buddy MacKinnon which he found out he "took for granted".
 
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I am on here all the time but rarely post but this is me thinking out loud trying to process:

Mikko isn't worth 14....sorry...I love his skill...top 5 for sure...but of all the Avs that cause me to yell at the screen, he is #1. Sometimes for the good, but damn for his size and skill, he should DOMINATE the ice AT ALL TIMES. He floats. If he had more Nuke demeanor in him, he could potentially be top 3 in the league. But he doesn't. If we had the Mikko from a couple of years ago that pretty much carried us when Nate went down, he would be worth it. I just haven't seen it from him since.

As for money, this top-heavy team needs depth in the worst way as we age. We simply can't have a roster built with salary allocation as top heavy as it was about to be. Do we sacrifice Makar? NOPE.

I think Mikko's play style has the potential to age like milk with Brind'Amour. Time will tell. I may be wrong. Mikko will get a taste of his far more aggressive in your face coaching style compared to Bedsy. Mikko may not like it at all after the novelty of playing with Aho wears off.

We got weaker, but if this means we get to have the depth and adapt to team needs, it had to happen. This team needed a shakeup badly. They have tried the same model ever since the cup and something had to change. I am trying to be an optimist, but I hope Necas is the perfect fit we seem to think he is. Hey I won't have to yell at Mikko losing the puck, taking retaliatory penalties, and getting knocked down/ falling/ and getting forced off the puck at bad times. He is a great player though; hope he is successful. Time to move on, but still surreal.
 
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NMAvsman said:
I am on here all the time but rarely post but this is me thinking out loud trying to process:

Mikko isn't worth 14....sorry...I love his skill...top 5 for sure...but of all the Avs that cause me to yell at the screen, he is #1. Sometimes for the good, but damn for his size and skill, he should DOMINATE the ice AT ALL TIMES. He floats. If he had more Nuke demeanor in him, he could potentially be top 3 in the league. But he doesn't.

As for money, this top-heavy team needs depth in the worst way as we age. We simply can't have a roster built with salary allocation as top heavy as it was about to be. Do we sacrifice Makar? NOPE.

I think Mikko's play style has the potential to age like milk with Brind'Amour. Time will tell. I may be wrong. Mikko will get a taste of his far more aggressive in your face coaching style compared to Bedsy. Mikko may not like it at all after the novelty of playing with Aho wears off.

We got weaker, but if this means we get to have the depth and adapt to team needs, it had to happen. This team needed a shakeup badly. They have tried the same model ever since the cup and something had to change. I am trying to be an optimist, but I hope Necas is the perfect fit we seem to think he is. Hey I won't have to yell at Mikko losing the puck, taking retaliatory penalties, and getting knocked down/ falling/ and getting forced off the puck at bad times. He is a great player though; hope he is successful. Time to move on, but still surreal.
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Please post more often.
 
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LOFIN said:
I'm not an actual betting man, but I can bet you his next deal starts with less than 13M if he re-signs with Carolina. Other sources have pointed it out plenty of times, the ask is between 11.75-12.5
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Now Mikko has to decide if he wants just the bag or to just get more than he would have in Colorado and be on a good team like Carolina. I do believe, and I felt this way before the trade, that whatever the aav is it’ll be a long deal where you are paying for the first 3 years of high level play and then maybe looking at his numbers falling off a cliff after he gets into his 30s. Super curious to see how he plays without Mack too - he might be who we think he is or he might be someone else entirely. Objectively this trade is fascinating.
 
This trade has nothing to do with who’s coming back or who they else they may trade for, all came down to Rantanen wants 14 (or somewhere close) and management saying we can’t sign him and be competitive in the future with zero depth. If they had to sign him at that cap hit we’d have to move on from more players on the roster as well. You have to move said player and get the best compensation you can and build from there. Can’t let a guy of that talent leave and have nothing to show for it.
 
Wow just woke up and the shock still lingers. I'm going to miss Rantanen, it always hurts losing home grown guys. For me it feels like losing Forsberg, but thankfully we got value back. I mean 7th Avs point leader of all time. He was a bonfire superstar!

My take on this was that for some reason the writing was on the wall from Rantanens 2023 and 2024 play. He looked slightly better this year but we all know how frustrating he can be because you knew how good he could be. Easy to knock of pucks, not a particularly great skater and when put on a line without Mackinnon nothing clicked. But man it was the hands and shot that kept him racking up the points. If he had maintained his elite play from 2018 or 2022, I would've seriously considered giving him the 14 per.... he was that good. He was amazing at that time controlling play with his body and holding onto the puck like a prime Jagr out there, I just don't know what happened.

It wouldn't suprise me if Rantanen comes out blazing with the Canes. He's the type to prove people wrong. I hope he earns a fat contract in the offseason. Signing him with his current risk closes our window turning us into Toronto 2.0. Cmac made out well in terms of value. Sad to see so much of the 2022 Cup team gone. It's surreal really. This will be Mackinnons and Makars team. Makar can give us the blank check. No way we lose him.
 
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Guess we wait a few hours and see if anyone is a scratch for todays game, will tell if anything else is close.

Ship centredata and picks for Miller. Vancouver has been close now and missed out twice, they may get desperate or panic to make their moves.
 
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