Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

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Listening to the podcast. They think that teams will not spend up to the new cap, and we are one of those teams, and the trade was part of that.
 
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Pretty sure that Mikko is not happy with his agent right now. But history is prologue, and CMac no doubt vividly remembers Mikko's dog and pony show that lead up to his last extension - and he had no stomach to play Russian Roulette again with Mikko's agent with no safety net beyond the TDL.

Don't wanna become the richest winger in the league while getting your table set by Nathan MacKinnon? Adios Amigo. No hard feelings. Thanks for 2022. It's business, not personal.
Happy with his agent or not, I think in the very short term, Mikko is in a good spot to get the kind of money he's looking for from the Hurricanes if he moves fast.

He's really got 2 choices :

1) sign early - they traded for you, they want you and probably don't want to be the team that gave up Necas++ for only a rental. Advantage : Mikko's camp

2) just play your ass off - the guy is incredibly talented and IF he goes all out every single shift/game, he is certainly a massive difference maker and the production will surely follow. Every single Avs fan knows he CAN do it but WILL he do it on a nightly basis - we haven't seen it in a long while.

The Hurricanes are going to be analyzing the fit within their team - and I don't doubt that he and Aho are going to form a fantastic duo but what does that look like over a full season? Is that STILL a 100 point kind of pace or is that more like a PPG type of pace? Cuz they had that PPG kind of pace in Guentzel last year.

Other teams interested in him if he gets to UFA are also going to be keeping close tabs on this to see how this develops. How much was he a product of playing with top players in Colorado or not?
 
Listening to the podcast. They think that teams will not spend up to the new cap, and we are one of those teams, and the trade was part of that.

They're idiots, and this narrative will never die. We spent plenty in the non cap era, and we were f***in rebuilding.

Sakic, and the Kronks have both said the salary cap is their limits. We're already spending well over the cap.

Get bent duche bags
 
Happy with his agent or not, I think in the very short term, Mikko is in a good spot to get the kind of money he's looking for from the Hurricanes if he moves fast.

He's really got 2 choices :

1) sign early - they traded for you, they want you and probably don't want to be the team that gave up Necas++ for only a rental. Advantage : Mikko's camp

2) just play your ass off - the guy is incredibly talented and IF he goes all out every single shift/game, he is certainly a massive difference maker and the production will surely follow. Every single Avs fan knows he CAN do it but WILL he do it on a nightly basis - we haven't seen it in a long while.

The Hurricanes are going to be analyzing the fit within their team - and I don't doubt that he and Aho are going to form a fantastic duo but what does that look like over a full season? Is that STILL a 100 point kind of pace or is that more like a PPG type of pace? Cuz they had that PPG kind of pace in Guentzel last year.

Other teams interested in him if he gets to UFA are also going to be keeping close tabs on this to see how this develops. How much was he a product of playing with top players in Colorado or not?
I think #2 will be much easier for him to do if the Canes keeps his icetime at 20 mins or less which he couldn't get here. I am sure his icetime here had a certain effect on his lazy play but regardless I would still be afraid of that contract if he signed here. Glad it is somebody else's worry now.
 
They're idiots, and this narrative will never die. We spent plenty in the non cap era, and we were f***in rebuilding.

Sakic, and the Kronks have both said the salary cap is their limits. We're already spending well over the cap.

Get bent duche bags
This isn't the first time we've heard it either. Elliotte mentioned this very same thing - about the Avs right around the time of the last lockout. It was completely false.
 
Happy with his agent or not, I think in the very short term, Mikko is in a good spot to get the kind of money he's looking for from the Hurricanes if he moves fast.

He's really got 2 choices :

1) sign early - they traded for you, they want you and probably don't want to be the team that gave up Necas++ for only a rental. Advantage : Mikko's camp

2) just play your ass off - the guy is incredibly talented and IF he goes all out every single shift/game, he is certainly a massive difference maker and the production will surely follow. Every single Avs fan knows he CAN do it but WILL he do it on a nightly basis - we haven't seen it in a long while.

The Hurricanes are going to be analyzing the fit within their team - and I don't doubt that he and Aho are going to form a fantastic duo but what does that look like over a full season? Is that STILL a 100 point kind of pace or is that more like a PPG type of pace? Cuz they had that PPG kind of pace in Guentzel last year.

Other teams interested in him if he gets to UFA are also going to be keeping close tabs on this to see how this develops. How much was he a product of playing with top players in Colorado or not?

I fully plan to watch the Canes and root for him the rest of the year. I need some earlier hockey to watch anyway.

It will be very interesting to see this whole thing play out.

If he doesn't sell out, this could get ugly fast. Baby just had his binky ripped away.
 
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They're idiots, and this narrative will never die. We spent plenty in the non cap era, and we were f***in rebuilding.

Sakic, and the Kronks have both said the salary cap is their limits. We're already spending well over the cap.

Get bent duche bags
It's weird because they are spending way over the cap this year, and have been for a while, but also pull strange cheap shit like recent paper transactions when there is no cap benifit or keeping a player's pants from 3 years ago and giving them to new guys.
 
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This isn't the first time we've heard it either. Elliotte mentioned this very same thing - about the Avs right around the time of the last lockout. It was completely false.

Its like if only we weren't a budget team we would have never needed to rebuild or some shit.

No team wants to spend to the cap while chasing high draft picks.

It gets under my skin quick. No matter how much logic you throw at the subject it sticks like an ass tattoo from a drunken night.

Do they like wasting money on big UFAs and having to buy guys out, no, they just expect the team to be run with some level of sanity unlike NYR and Toronto. Look where that dumb shit has gotten those teams.
 
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I don't buy for a minute that the Avs won't spend to the cap--they've proven they'll even spend over it when it comes to LTIR. Where they draw a very staunch line is buyouts, which sets them apart from batshit crazy teams like Vegas and Philly, but really, not by much.
 
It's weird because they are spending way over the cap this year, and have been for a while, but also pull strange cheap shit like recent paper transactions when there is no cap benifit or keeping a player's pants from 3 years ago and giving them to new guys.

But they brought it another LTIR contract with Poolman.

Yeah they do weird shit, but they're not Anaheim. I could never be a fan of a team like Anaheim unless it was like my birth place or something.
 
It's weird because they are spending way over the cap this year, and have been for a while, but also pull strange cheap shit like recent paper transactions when there is no cap benifit or keeping a player's pants from 3 years ago and giving them to new guys.
Oh, they cut corners behind the scenes all the time. Back when Duchene was just a rookie I swear he was also the head of the Avs' marketing department because if not for his Twitter feed and the journalists covering the team, you wouldn't have even known the Avs existed between games.

They also still have an embarrassingly outdated practice facility, and only renovated the locker room to modern-day specs very recently. And they probably won't build a new practice facility unless they get this giant real estate deal they've been gunning for a long time now.

Now, I've been told they don't go cheap when it comes to drafting and development. I don't know how big their scouting staff is, or how well-compensated those scouts are. At the very least, unlike the Rockies, they did splurge a bit on analytics.
 
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Kyper calling the ”14M like Draisaitl” narrative BS, says he’s heard that Rantanen camp actually would have signed for less than what MacKinnon makes but the Avs still didn’t want to give him a deal that big.
 
If Carolina don't re-up him he needs 13.4M X 7 on the market just to match the same amount of money.

Yikes, that's a hell of a perspective.

Edit.. considering I think he will sign there as long as he enjoys it, and they give him an offer he feels is fair.

If he makes it that far, I don't think he's getting that.
 
Friedman is basing his assumption that Avs won’t spend to the cap because they didn’t re-sign Mikko when the cap is gonna go up, but that’s not the case. CMac pretty much hinted on why he didn’t re-sign Mikko, it’s because he said it himself that the team needs to be deep to win in the playoffs. So even if Mikko wasn’t re-signed, the Avs are gonna spend that money to become a deeper team. They didn’t let Mikko go to save that money and not spend it
 
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Kyper calling the ”14M like Draisaitl” narrative BS, says he’s heard that Rantanen camp actually would have signed for less than what MacKinnon makes but the Avs still didn’t want to give him a deal that big.
The point is he was reported, by many, to be asking for that. Yes, it’s a negotiation tactic and he will likely sign for less. Maybe even less than MacKinnon. But, also yes, there is a finite window for this franchise to get it done or move on, and they were offered a good package. They did not want the risk of losing him in fa. If negotiations have stalled because they are playing poker and they haven’t shown willingness to budge because they want to leverage maximum negotiating power then they have to expect that what happened is a possibility. And unfortunately for his desired outcome, it didn’t work out.
 
Kyper calling the ”14M like Draisaitl” narrative BS, says he’s heard that Rantanen camp actually would have signed for less than what MacKinnon makes but the Avs still didn’t want to give him a deal that big.
I heard the same segment but kyper wouldn't even acknowledge or mention that they offered him to be paid like the highest paid winger in the game ($11.75M). For me, that is NOT a lowball offer when you consider the great situation that Mikko has been in playing with Mack.

There is just this giant disconnect between what most Avs fans have seen with Rantanen's game these past 2 years as compared to the player he was before and what most hockey enthusiasts/fans seem to think he is. They don't follow the team day-to-day because if they did, they'd at the very least suspect that there's a chance it's not what they think. Most of these analysts believe that if you have a player like Rants, you pay up $13M-$14M per whatever it takes because he's just that good.

They don't get it. Mainstream media and their reaction to this trade seems to suggest that they believe that MacKinnon-Rantanen, Pohtato-Potawto - like they are pretty much equal. Ridiculous.

I knew his perceived value was still going to be very high but I never imagined it would be what it's been.
 
The longer Mikko takes to sign the more dangerous it becomes a Klingberg situation. Not that bad obviously but dangerous nonetheless. There is a small chance his production could take a decent drop and that could cost him a good chunk of money. His production has already dropped if you remove the EN pts so it is possible that teams won't want to pony up what he wants and end up signing lower than what the Avs offered. If I am him I sign with CAR in the next couple of weeks.
 
The point is he was reported, by many, to be asking for that. Yes, it’s a negotiation tactic and he will likely sign for less. Maybe even less than MacKinnon. But, also yes, there is a finite window for this franchise to get it done or move on, and they were offered a good package. They did not want the risk of losing him in fa. If negotiations have stalled because they are playing poker and they haven’t shown willingness to budge because they want to leverage maximum negotiating power then they have to expect that what happened is a possibility. And unfortunately for his desired outcome, it didn’t work out.

They had a good hand, but got beat by the nuts on the river after chosing to check on the turn.

You never let the opponent see another card for free if you know you have a good hand, but not the nuts when the cards aren't all out on the table.

He should fire his agent if he was that serious about staying.

The longer Mikko takes to sign the more dangerous it becomes a Klingberg situation. Not that bad obviously but dangerous nonetheless. There is a small chance his production could take a decent drop and that could cost him a good chunk of money. His production has already dropped if you remove the EN pts so it is possible that teams won't want to pony up what he wants and end up signing lower than what the Avs offered. If I am him I sign with CAR in the next couple of weeks.

I wonder if Carolina isn't happy waiting a few minutes. They can give him 14M if that's what it takes without blinking.
 
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I wonder if Carolina isn't happy waiting a few minutes. They can give him 14M if that's what it takes without blinking.
Oh absolutely. If I'm CAR I wait to see how he does away from Mack. The risk of costing them more is very limited but if it goes the other way for Mikko it could save them 1M+/yr.
 
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They had a good hand, but got beat by the nuts on the river after chosing to check on the turn.

You never let the opponent see another card for free if you know you have a good hand, but not the nuts when the cards aren't all out on the table.

He should fire his agent if he was that serious about staying.
Yeah, that would be the most unfortunate thing, if he truly wanted to stay and wasn’t hung up on an undoable salary. If he was hands off and his agent pushed it to that point I genuinely feel bad for him. I do hope (but doubt) that Cmac would have went to him directly and told him that they could go to X amount otherwise they have a trade lined up with Carolina. Let him make that final decision and not allow the agent to force a trade.

I have been on the “trade him to get deeper” train for a while but he is still a good dude who was a homegrown pillar. It would be nice from a humane perspective if he had the final say on taking a discount or knowing he was gone.

Can you give me the winning lottery numbers please
Oh I dunno about that, I think they’ve proposed more trades than possible lottery number variations lol.
 

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