Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Pokecheque]

If you’re expecting Drury to be near .5 PPG, you will be disappointed. Just a heads up.

So long as he's a bigger scoring threat (and better defensively also) than Parker Kelly, I'm fine with that. So far, even after just one game, I think that's the case.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I’m definitely not expecting it. But I think it’s a possibility for him to be in the mid 30s. He put up 27 in 74 just one season ago in his first NHL season. His linemates will be a big factor in his offensive projection. He also put up 52 in 68 in the AHL.

Do I expect it? No. But I think the possibility of it is there, even if not high.

He was actually having an off year offensively.

During the broadcast of the NY game they mentioned the Avs were just rolling lines, and then commented that the third and 4th lines were going to compete for ice time.

Theoretically with Colton on your wing that shouldn't be the case, but I like the sound of that.

The 3rd and 4th lines both being above 10 minutes is a beautiful thing.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I’m definitely not expecting it. But I think it’s a possibility for him to be in the mid 30s. He put up 27 in 74 just one season ago in his first NHL season. His linemates will be a big factor in his offensive projection. He also put up 52 in 68 in the AHL.

Do I expect it? No. But I think the possibility of it is there, even if not high.

Honestly the only reason he was "expendable" to the Canes was that because of their logjam at C, he was playing as the 4C

 

[BobRossColton]

I think I'd be just fine with a Landy Drury LOC line.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

If you’re expecting Drury to be near .5 PPG, you will be disappointed. Just a heads up.

Well.........he is since joining the Avs.

 

[dahrougem2]

Teemu Selänteeltä jämäkkä kannanotto Mikko Rantasen yllätyssiirtoon – "En olisi lähtenyt mistään hinnasta"

Suomen NHL-legenda Teemu Selänne on ottanut kantaa Mikko Rantasen yllättävään seurasiirtoon.

www.mtvuutiset.fi

Selanne comments on the Rantanen trade.

He said it's not just a loss for Colorado but for Mikko. He says everything is well in Colorado and it's a good place. He says he would have never left in his place especially knowing Rantanens connection with MacK and Makar. In his opinion it's better to play underpaid than go to a new place and not know how it's going to go.



I am actually surprised he said this, because he struggled a lot with Colorado while he was here, at least playing wise.

Especially since when he and Kariya came to Colorado, Kariya signed for 1.2M and Teemu needed 5.8M lmao.

 

[Avs_19]

Evans, but he's a UFA in 5 months and due for a big payday. We wouldn't be able to keep him.

Drury is signed through next year and an RFA at that point. Simply makes much more sense for the Avs moving forward.



Link?

 

[Avsfan1921]

This will be a good exercise on how true the “Colorado bump” in production is. I’m genuinely curious to see how much the Nate and Cale effect has. We’ve traded a player known as a premier point producer for someone who was known for consistency issue as a direct replacement (so far) so it will be interesting to follow.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I am actually surprised he said this, because he struggled a lot with Colorado while he was here, at least playing wise.

In all fairness to him, his knee was f***ed when he got to the Avs, and he was a shell of himself. It didn't help that the Avs had a bunch of other injuries that year, and Granato stuck him on the 4th line half the season.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

I wonder if they'll try Necas soon on the 2nd line. Him and Mack are both right hand shot, play drivers who like skating with the puck and having it on their stick and like the same one-timer spot. We saw against the Rangers that Mack had to change his game and habits to leave his usual spot to Necas. Either Mack will show very impressive adaptability rapidly, which seemed to be the case last game, or Bednard will try Necas on the 2nd line to have two offensive lines. Mack has proven that he can produce with Drouin and Lehky. Necas had proven in Carolina that he can drive his line. Looks to me like they are rolling the red carpet and playing him with Mack to help him get acclimatized and feel important, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved to the 2nd line in a few games, with Mitts and Nuke. Could REALLY help Mitts get out of his slump to suddenly find himself between Necas and Nuke...

 

[JLo217]

It's not naive at all. The difference for me making $90,000 now vs $120,000 next year might be the difference in saving up for my kid's university, or buying a home.

The difference for Mikko from 94M to 100M over 8 years is what? He doesn't get another luxury sports car? He doesn't get another mansion?

MacKinnon was a bit greedy, absolutely. I don't think anyone denies the "discount" he claimed to take was laughable. It doesn't change the fact that if Mikko didn't want to sign for 11.75M long term, he's an exceptionally greedy person.

IMO Mack is also the best player in all of hockey the last 2-3 seasons overall. Rants while he's a point collector and has a great shot, is always falling over and pretty lazy in general.

If he went 100% like Mack I think he'd be maybe the best winger of all time with his skillset.

The biggest thing I get out of this is…

Don’t f*** with CMac

It's refreshing. Sadly they should've done this the last 4-5 years. Glad they learned their lesson. Even though I hate it, if there is a follow up and they have some better depth, this extends the window 2 years IMO.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Listened to the podcast, nothing really that we haven’t heard or read.
Just a quick sum up of the relevant points.

The AVS probably didn’t plan to trade him, but at the same time, knew it was a possibility. About a week before the trade, they went to Rants camp and offered him 11.75 x 8. And apparently the response was they were not willing to accept that amount at that time. Rants camp presumably wanted it closer the 14 that Draisaitl got. Not necessarily 14 but definitely closer to there. The Avs also didn’t want to pay him more than MacKinnon. That’s when the trade talk ramped. EF even said the Avs weren’t scared to send him in the west, they just wanted the best package. Discussions in the offseason with Carolina weren’t serious, but they obviously got serious about a week ago.

EF commented that he wasn’t necessarily surprised he was traded, but more the timing of the trade. Thought it would go closer to the deadline. But then he also heard that the Avs didn’t want it to go that far because they felt they would slowly lose leverage both in contract negotiations and in trade negotiations.
They brought up how the media around the Avs is much less than Toronto and how difficult the previous Marner extension was. That there was very little chatter but that the previous Rantanen extension was also very difficult and likely played a part in making the move vs doing what they did with Landeskog.

Again, nothing new. Just more confirmation about what a lot of people speculated. They had a figure they wanted to give him and didn’t want to be held hostage at contract demands or lose him for nothing. They feel like the Avs were too thin, and between paying Rants what he wants and then breaking the bank with Makar, it was going to be even more difficult to fill out the depth.

 

[AvsCOL]

I wonder if they'll try Necas soon on the 2nd line. Him and Mack are both right hand shot, play drivers who like skating with the puck and having it on their stick and like the same one-timer spot. We saw against the Rangers that Mack had to change his game and habits to leave his usual spot to Necas. Either Mack will show very impressive adaptability rapidly, which seemed to be the case last game, or Bednard will try Necas on the 2nd line to have two offensive lines. Mack has proven that he can produce with Drouin and Lehky. Necas had proven in Carolina that he can drive his line. Looks to me like they are rolling the red carpet and playing him with Mack to help him get acclimatized and feel important, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved to the 2nd line in a few games, with Mitts and Nuke. Could REALLY help Mitts get out of his slump to suddenly find himself between Necas and Nuke...

Drouin/MacKinnon/Necas have put up video-game possession numbers the last two games, I don't want to fix what's not broken... yet.

In two games, albeit small sample size, they have 71.60 CF%. Absolutely dominant.

I foresee a ton of 2on1's with Necas and MacKinnon. Speed kills.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Drouin/MacKinnon/Necas have put up video-game possession numbers the last two games, I don't want to fix what's not broken... yet.

In two games, albeit small sample size, they have 71.60 CF%. Absolutely dominant.

I foresee a ton of 2on1's with Necas and MacKinnon. Speed kills.

And they still don't "know" each other all that well. Give them some practice time (if they get any) and a handful of games, and they might be one of the best lines in the league.

 

[kchan9]

What's the point of even coming out to say this now? It's he said she said. If Mikko wanted to get it done, I'm sure he wouldn't have got traded.

 

[dahrougem2]

Mikko in all likelihood believes his market value is around 13-14M and would have signed for just below that.

Thank god the Avs moved on.

 

[LOFIN]

Mikko in all likelihood believes his market value is around 13-14M and would have signed for just below that.

I mean considering where the cap is going, that very well could be his market value. And I agree, the Avs can't do that.

 

[dahrougem2]

I mean considering where the cap is going, that very well could be his market value. And I agree, the Avs can't do that.

If we look strictly at production, I agree.

However, given the rise in analytics and what has been demonstrated of Mikko sans MacKinnon, I don't know that it is truly his market value.

 

[S E P H]

I didn't say it to troll, I'm so sorry if you took my comment that way. I am just referring on the GDT when some of the players didn't shoot when they had a good chance..

I'm sorry. I feel really bad right now.. no grudges what so ever. My fav Finn on Avs is Lehkonen anyway.

Oh, absolutely the Avs will miss his goalscoring for sure. No doubt about that, but as we saw on Sunday, Necas has better vision with the puck, makes better plays, and has better puck skills than Rantanen which will add an element we were missing with Mikko.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Another thing people forget about this trade....

Defensively we are much better with Necas than Mikko because by the time Mikko gets back up after falling the Ozone Necas is already in the neutral zone playing defense.

I wish I could use only half of the emoji because there is truth to what I said.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Mike Kelly brought up the stats of Necas on NHL network. In 2 games so far with the Avs (even if small sample size) Necas has more controlled zone entries, more offensive possession time etc.. than MacK who’s #1 in all those analytics, but Necas has more in 2 games. Encouraging I guess.

Necas should be driving avs 2nd line, just like MacKinnon first. Suddenly this trade is looking highkey good for Avs, also Necas brought spark to your PP. If Necas keeps this production, re-signing him for 10-11 milions long therm should be no-brainer for avs, he is literary prototypical avs player when you look at him and emerging superstar. I think keeping him on 1st line is just waste, when you can have basicaly 2 top lines if he can carry Kotkaniemi and Robinson, he can certainly play with Mittelstadt, Lehkonnen whoever you want basically. I like Rantanen, but he is no Pastrnak, Kucherov or Kaprizov to ask this kind of cash, he can´t drive line on his own like those top guys, Necas shown flashes this season he can be that type of guy.

 

[S E P H]

Thank you. Biggest obstacle?

The biggest obstacle is that Rantanen is a prideful bloke, most star hockey players are. His contract demands show that and how he thinks he deserves what he thinks he deserves, even if he was open to negotiations. Do you think Rantanen would want to come back to a team that broke his heart? A team that didn't trust him to pay him what he thinks he's worth?

 

[JLo217]

Bottom line here IMO. Rants overplayed his hand as many of you have said.

I think whoever signs him is going to be disappointed quickly as he ages. I also think he might knock his value down a bit not being with Mack anymore if he gets exposed and has to be the driver.

 

[Bender]

I applaud C-Mac for making this move. I was lobbying for this since last season, so I'm really happy overall!

I mentioned after training camp that the team seemed stale and it was. This was exactly the kind of shake-up that was needed within the forward group.

Not really surprised that Necas was the main piece coming back but I am extremely surprised that they moved him + Drury + 2 solid picks without any type of guarantee that #96 was going to be signing there.

I'm also not surprised that in the end, the Avs decided to take this route and trade Rantanen. I thought they'd do it last summer but I think they wanted to give him a chance to see if he could bounce back from last year.

I think Mikko almost put himself in this position by his play. The Avs front office surely has better analytics than we do, and it would be difficult for them not to notice that the stats back up the eye test for the past 3 years--this is a player who up to 2022 consistently had above average results defensively, go to an awful defensively player.

And where do you think the effort levels will do after signing a $100M contract coupled with aging curve effects?

I think complacency is a good word for it, and then some of it is simply that it's a big guy getting older.

I don't think there's an 'almost' about it - he ABSOLUTELY did.

This is my personal take on it. To me, it's pretty obvious what happened. For the first 7-8 years, Mikko Rantanen was a very productive player who would put in a solid effort and would get rewarded nightly. No one would ever mistake him for a Selke candidate but he'd at least give it a go and could be 'adequate' defensively and when you add that to his production, it was a winning combination.

Then about 2-3 years ago, something happened - Nathan MacKinnon took his game to another level. Nate went apeshit with his game in a good way so much so that gradually, little by little over time, Mikko kinda noticed that he didn't have to do nearly as much work and he was still getting his points. Since Mack was already doing all the heavy lifting and was on such a tear, he could kind of half-ass it at times and kind of get away with it because he was still putting up points. For me, this went on ALL of last season and pretty much almost all of this season as well though I think Mikko's been better this year than last year.

So then, when Mikko would get placed on the 2nd line in order to try and balance out the scoring as we've seen at various times this season - it never worked because Rantanen knew that if it didn't work-out almost immediately, Bednar would just put him back with MacKinnon on the top line after a period or two anyways. It was never in his best interest to NOT play with Nate and to be honest, I think there are a TON of players of who have probably done the same.

To be fair here - I don't think Nate cared AT ALL that he had to do the 'heavy lifting' or whatever. I think he just loved playing with Mikko.

Even after ALL of that - C-Mac was still prepared to make Mikko the highest paid winger in the NHL. Imagine that, the highest paid winger in the cushiest spot possible.

In the end, Mikko overplayed his hand. I'm quite certain he figured that he'd be there holding firm on his number in the wee hours of June 30th right before the TDL just like his pal Gabe was. I don't think he thought there was a chance in hell they would trade him during the season.

How will they ever sell tickets now ???

A shout-out to C-Mac and all others who saw the same thing I did.

Called it : Rumor: - 2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Thread: Post Deadline

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I finally watched Mack's response on Saturday to the trade. I have no issue whatsoever with his response. He was obviously surprised and sad about Mikko leaving and there is no issue showing some emotions about it but i didn't a demoralized guy...just sadness. He certainly looked like he was fine by the start of Sunday's game. He looked like he really enjoyed playing with Necas.

He wants his friends to get paid but he understands that it is a business and above all he wants to win more than anything so winning will make it ok in the end.