Speculation: Claude Giroux and the Colorado Avalanche

[Filthy Dangles]

Chuck said he will only trade giroux if he wants too. Giroux will tell him most likely and that does open the door for the flyers to make a deal and the bidding war would get started.

Yeah but G could say 'Only Tampa' or 'Only Colorado' and then there would be no war. I imagine they'll still get decent value regardless if it happens

 

[Boondock]

Is the Taylor Hall trade a good barometer for how a trade for Giroux will go if he insists on going to a contender? Or narrows it down even more?

At first glance they are comparable, but Hall has become a bit of a mercenary playing on his 5th team and not really having any true loyalties. Giroux was drafted by the Flyers ad developed so he probably wouldn't hold them ransom like Hall did with Buffalo. I could see CG trying to do right by the Flyers as much as possible and not limiting their options to 1 team and limiting their return.

 

[Pyrophorus]

He doesn't want to come to his home province?

 

[burstnbloom]

Chuck said he will only trade giroux if he wants too. Giroux will tell him most likely and that does open the door for the flyers to make a deal and the bidding war would get started.

There is only a bidding war if Claude says he will go to any contender. I just cant imagine he says that. Then when it comes down to it, he will get to choose, so it wont be about the best package, it'll be about what Claude wants to do. Has there ever been a scenario like this where a beloved lifelong franchise player with a NMC decides where he goes and the original team gets a haul? The last one I can think of other then Hall was Iginla. He chose to go to Pitt and the Flames got back a first, Kenny Agostino and Ben Hanowski. Neither of those guys were premium prospects at all. The first was expected to be very late and that was a time where GMs through around 1st rounders much more freely than they do today.

Giroux is a great player and has earned the right to go where he wants, should he decide to leave the Flyers. That likely means the flyers don't get much back in return. Certainly not someone like Newhook.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Giroux is a pending UFA, they don’t return that kind of prospect. UFAs return a 1st and a B prospect like 99% of the time. Realistic value for Giroux is probably a 1st round pick and Helleson or Barron.

I'm not arguing that - but what I'm saying is that Byram may end up being nothing whereas Giroux is currently a stud and has been for a decade+

Giroux is 34, the same could be said for him.

You could. It'd be stupid to IMO, but you could.

 

[Hasbro]

I'm not arguing that - but what I'm saying is that Byram may end up being nothing whereas Giroux is currently a stud and has been for a decade+

And Giroux is in a walk year, so you he's got half a season and playoffs before he becomes an uncertainty.

You could. It'd be stupid to IMO, but you could.

Player tend to get worse about his age or retire anyway.

 

[flyerslducks]

There is only a bidding war if Claude says he will go to any contender. I just cant imagine he says that. Then when it comes down to it, he will get to choose, so it wont be about the best package, it'll be about what Claude wants to do. Has there ever been a scenario like this where a beloved lifelong franchise player with a NMC decides where he goes and the original team gets a haul? The last one I can think of other then Hall was Iginla. He chose to go to Pitt and the Flames got back a first, Kenny Agostino and Ben Hanowski. Neither of those guys were premium prospects at all. The first was expected to be very late and that was a time where GMs through around 1st rounders much more freely than they do today.

Giroux is a great player and has earned the right to go where he wants, should he decide to leave the Flyers. That likely means the flyers don't get much back in return. Certainly not someone like Newhook.

If he does give a list, I doubt it will be to a 1 or 2 teams. Either way, I hope he leaves and gets a chance. We f***ed it up for him and he deserves better. Any team he goes too will still return (or should if our gm isn’t an idiot) a first and a prospect at the minimum.

He can instantly help any team with the pp, faceoffs, pk, wing or center, etc. any team he doesn’t go to will lose out on a big asset.

 

[Perratrooper]

Do the Avs need depth at RHD as well?

Wonder if Giroux + Braun could go together with the Flyers retaining 50% on both

2023 1st
2022 2nd
Barron
Compher for salary purposes

Wait nevermind, Sakic is just going to bend Chuck over like everyone else does.

I’d probably counter with a third instead of a second (we don’t even have a 2022 second).

 

[Boondock]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

 

[Ararana]

He doesn't want to come to his home province?

Why would anyone in their right mind want to go to Canada right now?

 

[Perratrooper]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

A little bit, but I think most fans would point at inconsistent goaltending, bad coaching and our defense before our defensive forwards. Our PK has been a bit better since Nuke has come back and Kadri was moved onto it.

 

[Rebels57]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

Giroux is actually an excellent PKer on top of being elite at faceoffs. Two birds, one stone.

 

[Hasbro]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

Hasn't come up.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

As someone mentioned above, Giroux is an excellent PKer and top faceoff guy.

 

[Starat327]

I know this is a Giroux to Colorado thread, but I was just looking at some stats and noticed the Avs have the worst PK% of the current playoff teams. Has there been any discussions in and around the Avs about adding a PK specialist by the deadline?

Giroux is one of the better PK players in the league when he's actually used there., for what it's worth. And since the Avs likely sont break up Pp1. You could slot G on second line and PK1 and PP2 duty and call it a day.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

As someone mentioned above, Giroux is an excellent PKer and top faceoff guy.

It's one of the reasons I would want to target Giroux. He could be used anywhere in the Avs top-9 and really help to elevate the team. However, it's only really possible if he tells the Flyers that he only wants to go to the Avs as Colorado doesn't really have the expendable assets other teams do.

 

[Starat327]

It's one of the reasons I would want to target Giroux. He could be used anywhere in the Avs top-9 and really help to elevate the team. However, it's only really possible if he tells the Flyers that he only wants to go to the Avs as Colorado doesn't really have the expendable assets other teams do.

Take a look at Fletchers recent trades. A savvy GM like Sakic could probably talk Fletcher into paying him to take Giroux.

The dude is a dunce to the Nth degree.

 

[Pantokrator]

What do flyers fans think would be fair as a return for retaining salary? Does a deal exist if Byram and Newhook are off the table (a likely scenario)?

I think a first will suffice. Maybe add an older prospect with limited upside like Sampo Ranta or late round pick (5th or 6th). I don't think it will take much more than that. I think it is really just a first and then something thrown in to make Fletcher not look as bad.

I don't anticipate Fletcher doing this though. I think he'll trade Giroux for something like future consideration, which will be if Giroux resigns with Colorado, Chuck gets a signed game-worn jersey.

I honestly think the Hockey World will be shocked at how little return Chuck will get.

 

[Pantokrator]

Take a look at Fletchers recent trades. A savvy GM like Sakic could probably talk Fletcher into paying him to take Giroux.

The dude is a dunce to the Nth degree.

You are correct. Fletcher likes to be well liked by the other GMs so he often gives more than is needed so they go away happy. Pretty sure the Buffalo deal for Ristolainen went something like this:

Chuck: "What will it take to get Risto?"
Buffalo: "Well, we'd like to unload him - how about a second round pick?"
Chuck: "I accept only if you take our first and depth defenseman."
Buffalo: "Uh, OK, sure."

 

[Hasbro]

And since the Avs likely sont break up Pp1.

Bednar loves having a right shot as the bumper on PP1 to the extreme he had JT Compher on there during the begging of this season before he got injured.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Why would anyone in their right mind want to go to Canada right now?

Why not?

 

[Freaky Styley]

Can anyone confirm that the Avs ‘23 1st will actually be available for trade by the deadline?

Reason I ask is that Capfriendly has it tied up as a potential condition in the Kuemper trade: if Avs ‘22 1st pick is top 10 then AZ gets ‘23 1st. Obviously we all know the likelihood of that is next to zero but I got to believe if it’s still mathematically possible at the TDL then that pick won’t be available.

Am I wrong about this?

I'd imagine a condition would be put on the pick, in the 0.000001% chance it does go to ARZ. So it can still be available for any trades, just makes the negotiation slightly more complicated

 

[Starat327]

Bednar loves having a right shot as the bumper on PP1 to the extreme he had JT Compher on there during the begging of this season before he got injured.

If thats the case, there aren't many better in the business there, either. It sounds like G checks all the boxes.

I'm at the point that I don't even care about the return. I just want him to win. Such an underrated player.

 

[lionsDen]

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[Northern Avs Fan]

Would love to see it happen, but I’m afraid of the price for a one year rental.