Speculation: Claude Giroux and the Colorado Avalanche

[Boxscore]

For Avs fans, what’s the projected outlook and style of Newhook and Byram? What does it take to add to Giroux to get one of them or one of the and 1st? We do not have a 2nd this year yet.

Byram is out of reach unless the Flyers were willing to do something foolish like Giroux and Provorov for Byram, Olausson and a 1st.

Byram has 1st pair potential and can put up huge numbers running a main PP.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Byram is out of reach unless the Flyers were willing to do something foolish like Giroux and Provorov for Byram, Olausson and a 1st.

Byram has 1st pair potential and can put up huge numbers running a main PP.

That trade idea does not come close to putting Byram more in reach.

 

[TheKingPin]

Byram is out of reach unless the Flyers were willing to do something foolish like Giroux and Provorov for Byram, Olausson and a 1st.

Byram has 1st pair potential and can put up huge numbers running a main PP.

I would defer to someone who knew more about Byram, but I would be up for making that trade or something close. Don’t think Fletch would.

 

[Foppberg]

Byram is out of reach unless the Flyers were willing to do something foolish like Giroux and Provorov for Byram, Olausson and a 1st.

Byram has 1st pair potential and can put up huge numbers running a main PP.

Hellll no.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Byram is out of reach unless the Flyers were willing to do something foolish like Giroux and Provorov for Byram, Olausson and a 1st.

Byram has 1st pair potential and can put up huge numbers running a main PP.

The second sentence is exactly why you should have put a period after the word "reach".

 

[Rebels57]

Do the Avs need depth at RHD as well?

Wonder if Giroux + Braun could go together with the Flyers retaining 50% on both

2023 1st
2022 2nd
Barron
Compher for salary purposes

Wait nevermind, Sakic is just going to bend Chuck over like everyone else does.

 

[Cypher]

Do the Avs need depth at RHD as well?

Wonder if Giroux + Braun could go together with the Flyers retaining 50% on both

2023 1st
2022 2nd
Barron
Compher for salary purposes

Wait nevermind, Sakic is just going to bend Chuck over like everyone else does.

Yes they can use another RHD. They are pretty much playing 5 d last couple games, with McDermid only playing 5-6 mins a game. And EJ was benched yesterday, so EJ and McDermid were both below 10 mins, while Makar and Toews had to play 30+ mins.

Counter with

Kaut
2022 3rd
Olausson
Compher for salary purposes

For Giroux at 50% and Braun full cap.

 

[Rebels57]

Yes they can use another RHD. They are pretty much playing 5 d last couple games, with McDermid only playing 5-6 mins a game. And EJ was benched yesterday, so EJ and McDermid were both below 10 mins, while Makar and Toews had to play 30+ mins.

Counter with

Kaut
2022 3rd
Olausson
Compher for salary purposes

For Giroux at 50% and Braun full cap.

No offense, but that's a very poor counter.

Not getting Giroux without giving up a 1st, especially considering how late that pick is likely to be.

That's how it should be anyway.

But again, you're dealing with Charles Fletcher here. He might give you a 2nd to take Giroux with only your worst player coming back

 

[captainpaxil]

While the opportunity to win now will be crucial to getting giroux to waive his nmc it's not as if this is his swan song. He'll be highly persued this off season and be a big piece the next three or four years

 

[FlyguyOX]

Byram's entire hockey career may be in jeopardy so may be wise to sell high while there's still hope he gets over his chronic concussion issues

 

[Muffin]

Byram's entire hockey career may be in jeopardy so may be wise to sell high while there's still hope he gets over his chronic concussion issues

How do you figure trading Byram now is selling high?

 

[JoeSakic13]

How do you figure trading Byram now is selling high?

He was high when he typed that.

 

[Ararana]

Byram's entire hockey career may be in jeopardy so may be wise to sell high while there's still hope he gets over his chronic concussion issues

You are literally contradicting yourself. Either Byram comes back and can play, in which case he's one of the league's best young and upcoming defensemen, or the Avs trade him while he's injured and sell for pennies on the dollar.

Byram isn't getting traded.

 

[ponder719]

How do you figure trading Byram now is selling high?

It's selling high if he never recovers. It's selling low if he does. Same as any prospect with severe health issues; if he's traded, one way or another, you're not receiving what he will eventually be worth; you just don't know whether you've gotten good value or bad. (See Patrick, N.)

 

[Chuck Downie]

Yes they can use another RHD. They are pretty much playing 5 d last couple games, with McDermid only playing 5-6 mins a game. And EJ was benched yesterday, so EJ and McDermid were both below 10 mins, while Makar and Toews had to play 30+ mins.

Counter with

Kaut
2022 3rd
Olausson
Compher for salary purposes

For Giroux at 50% and Braun full cap.

C'mon, that's a joke

 

[FlyguyOX]

How do you figure trading Byram now is selling high?

Showed he can be elite when he plays and shortly removed from draft year. If he can post-concussion symptoms that prevent him from playing or playing at a high level again (flyers know this too well with Patrick) then it is the high point

 

[BrindamoursNose]

How do you figure trading Byram now is selling high?

Getting Claude Giroux for Byram is selling pretty high considering, as the poster said, his career could fall apart next year.

 

[Hasbro]

Getting Claude Giroux for Byram is selling pretty high considering, as the poster said, his career could fall apart next year.

Giroux is 34, the same could be said for him.

 

[BKarchitect]

Any mention of Byram is pure fantasy even if he never plays a game again. The Avs aren't going to trade a kid who at age 20 was a top pairing defenseman for one of the best teams in the league when he was healthy. The Avs certainly aren't going to turn this kid into some sort of "trade chip" while he's in the middle of a debilitating injury crisis that is both physical and mental. It sucks that Patrick never became what he could've been with the Flyers - that has ZERO bearing on what the Avs do with Byram. Joe Sakic is not looking at the Nolan Patrick story saying to himself "golly gee - I need to dump this Byram kid while he still has some value".

If a deal can't be made around either Olausson or Barron and extras - there's no deal to be made. If a recent first round pick that is trending well (Olausson assuredly would have been one of the stars for Sweden at the WJC, Barron has been excellent in his first pro year and already earned his first NHL call-up) is not enough to highlight a package for Giroux - then I'm not sure what the deal is. It won't be Byram and it won't be Newhook.

Byram seems to be turning into a Flyers fan fever dream return for G. The kid is hurt, we get it - he's also tremendously not available, maybe even more so now than ever.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Is the Taylor Hall trade a good barometer for how a trade for Giroux will go if he insists on going to a contender? Or narrows it down even more?

 

[CROCODILE SEATS]

No no no no no please no

 

[burstnbloom]

Is the Taylor Hall trade a good barometer for how a trade for Giroux will go if he insists on going to a contender? Or narrows it down even more?

Giroux has Fletchers respect, deservedly so, and a full NMC. The flyers have zero leverage. So they either get an asset or keep the player. I can't imagine they get a big return for Giroux because of that unless Giroux is willing to go to a number of places.

He'd be a fabulous addition to that Avs roster though, man. He's such a great player.

 

[flyerslducks]

Giroux has Fletchers respect, deservedly so, and a full NMC. The flyers have zero leverage. So they either get an asset or keep the player. I can't imagine they get a big return for Giroux because of that unless Giroux is willing to go to a number of places.

He'd be a fabulous addition to that Avs roster though, man. He's such a great player.

Chuck said he will only trade giroux if he wants too. Giroux will tell him most likely and that does open the door for the flyers to make a deal and the bidding war could** get started.

 

[Muffin]

Getting Claude Giroux for Byram is selling pretty high considering, as the poster said, his career could fall apart next year.

Giroux is a pending UFA, they don’t return that kind of prospect. UFAs return a 1st and a B prospect like 99% of the time. Realistic value for Giroux is probably a 1st round pick and Helleson or Barron.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Can anyone confirm that the Avs ‘23 1st will actually be available for trade by the deadline?

Reason I ask is that Capfriendly has it tied up as a potential condition in the Kuemper trade: if Avs ‘22 1st pick is top 10 then AZ gets ‘23 1st. Obviously we all know the likelihood of that is next to zero but I got to believe if it’s still mathematically possible at the TDL then that pick won’t be available.

Am I wrong about this?

Good point.