Speculation: Claude Giroux and the Colorado Avalanche

[Foppberg]

Please let it happen.

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

1st, compher and and olausson for G 50% retained

 

[Rebels57]

At this point I don't even care what the Flyers get in return for Giroux. They have no chance at a successful rebuild under current ownership and management anyway. I just want to watch Giroux play on a contender like Colorado.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Where did you hear this?

NRD coldstove podcast

 

[Rebels57]

Marek & Friedman: Blank Cheque in Philly - Sportsnet.ca

According to Friedman, Colorado players have been reaching out to Giroux and telling him they want him to come to Colorado. Wouldn't shock me if NAK was one of the ones telling him how great the Colorado locker room is.

I'm not quite sure if this is tampering or not. I know GMs can't reach out to players, no idea if players can reach out to other players (though I'm sure it happens all the damn time).

Ultimately Giroux will get to pick where he wants to go. But I'm having a hard time thinking of a better fit than Colorado, both for him and for the Avs.

Some trade prices I'd be good with (assuming G is retained at 50%)
2023 1st + Helleson (reunite York and Helleson)
2022 2nd + Barron/Olausson

Newhook and Byram are obviously non starters.

With Chuckles the Clown still running the show, whatever you think you'll need to give up for Giroux, divide that in half.

 

[StreetHawk]

I understand that being a point of contention. It’s $3.5mm AAV but your point still stands. Avs may need to flip to Jost at $2mm.

Philly does this for a 2023 1st and good prospect in Behrens. Avs getting pretty greedy if they unload JTC’s last year of term.

but that’s my offer if I’m Sakic.

2023 1st (top 2 protected), Behrens and JTC for Giroux retained. It’s a base hit for Philly because they can say they got a first and a solid prospect having a real good freshman season at DU.

Then pivot elsewhere to guys like Pavs or even Hertl before sweetening that on Giroux.

Philly in the Scheen deal took back Lehteri who had at least a year on his deal but Schenn had term in his as well.

doubt you see Philly give up Giroux and then have to eat a contract for 22-23. At least something that sizeable. JT is a nhler but what is he like $1 mill higher on the cap than he should be?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Who’s the ~$2MM cap dump, then?

I would imagine there's a good possibility Jost is part of the trade, and also not a cap dump. If not Jost, perhaps Ryan Murray.

 

[wankstifier]

I would imagine there's a good possibility Jost is part of the trade, and also not a cap dump. If not Jost, perhaps Ryan Murray.

I see Jost as a dump, but I agree that Fletcher wouldn’t

 

[John Johnson]

To be fair, Fletcher doesn't inspire confidence and we don't know how many teams Giroux would be willing to waive his NMC for. The trade could end up being relatively underwhelming for a player of Giroux's caliber.

It'll still return more than these 3rd liners have been receiving over the past few years. They could always just not trade him if the offer isn't worth it obviously.

 

[wankstifier]

It'll still return more than these 3rd liners have been receiving over the past few years. They could always just not trade him if the offer isn't worth it obviously.

That'd not be a popular decision.

 

[John Johnson]

That'd not be a popular decision.

I mean even for UFA status I'd still be disappointed if he returned scraps if I was a Flyers fan.

 

[hughdreamz]

1st, compher and and olausson for G 50% retained

Swap Olausson for Barron or (Helleson + pick) and I think it’s fair. Avs can’t move Olausson or theyre out of offensive prospects

 

[AvsCOL]

You have to think Philly are going to take a long look at Drew Helleson at the Olympics this year. York’s WJC partner.

Nice catch.

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

Swap Olausson for Barron or (Helleson + pick) and I think it’s fair. Avs can’t move Olausson or theyre out of offensive prospects

I mean what incentive is there for Philly to retain 50% on G AND take back compher

 

[pockets]

I mean what incentive is there for Philly to retain 50% on G AND take back compher

Barron’s value is similar to if not better than Olausson, it just doesn’t make sense for the Avs to trade Olausson for a pending UFA when their entire 2nd line are also pending UFAs

 

[Boxscore]

Swap Olausson for Barron or (Helleson + pick) and I think it’s fair. Avs can’t move Olausson or theyre out of offensive prospects

So the Avs get Giroux but don't give up ONE of Newhook, Byram or Olausson? Yeah ok.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

So the Avs get Giroux but don't give up ONE of Newhook, Byram or Olausson? Yeah ok.

Olausson I could see as being on a wish list…why would you even mention Byram or Newhook for a rental?

 

[elitepete]

So the Avs get Giroux but don't give up ONE of Newhook, Byram or Olausson? Yeah ok.

How does nearly 34 year old Giroux who is a UFA at the end of the deal command Newhook or Byram?

Stone was a much better player when he got traded and younger and had an extension lined up with VGK, and he got a much worse piece than either of those two.

 

[Cypher]

Now that Mack is out, need that #1 Centre

- Newhook won't be added because he's on the active roster. You add Giroux to Newhook, not to take his place.
- Byram won't be traded because no one knows his health, could be a top2 dman still, could never play again, who knows.
- Olausson could be added (rather him than Barron (RHD higher commodity))

Giroux (50% retained) + Braun for Compher (for cap purposes) + a mix of Olausson/Helleson/Kaut/picks.

 

[pockets]

Now that Mack is out, need that #1 Centre

- Newhook won't be added because he's on the active roster. You add Giroux to Newhook, not to take his place.
- Byram won't be traded because no one knows his health, could be a top2 dman still, could never play again, who knows.
- Olausson could be added (rather him than Barron (RHD higher commodity))

Giroux (50% retained) + Braun for Compher (for cap purposes) + a mix of Olausson/Helleson/Kaut/picks.

 

[Avs425]

delet

 

[captainpaxil]

Id prefer a clean deal of Barron and 1st but I think pieces could be moved around to take on salary. Switch Byram for Barron and add Gompers or add helleson and jost.

 

[Rebels57]

I mean what incentive is there for Philly to retain 50% on G AND take back compher

Chuckles doesn't need incentive to do something incredibly stupid.

 

[Goulet17]

So the Avs get Giroux but don't give up ONE of Newhook, Byram or Olausson? Yeah ok.

If Colorado is trading a Newhook or Byram, the Avs are going for a player with remaining term, not a pending UFA trade deadline deal. That should be clear by now based on the deals that we have seen over the years.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

So the Avs get Giroux but don't give up ONE of Newhook, Byram or Olausson? Yeah ok.

What’s unrealistic about that? When was the last time a prospect of that caliber was traded for a rental at the deadline? The best I can think of in recent history is Abramov.