The issue is trying to shoe horn JTC into a deal with the Flyers for Giroux. So why is G available? He's an UFA on a team that is under performing and look like they could be starting a rebuild. In that circumstance JTC has very little value to the Flyers. Why do the Flyers want a 30 point bottom 6 winger making $3.5? I would assume they would rather not equate value to JTC in exchange for Giroux. So in this scenario JTC would be seen as not part of the rebuild, but eating $3.5 in cap. So expecting the inclusion of JTC to reduce the other assets required to acquire Giroux is (IMO) a poor premise. If the Avs want to clear the cap of JTC's contract, I feel they would be better off trading him in a different deal. I think this is the only way he is seen as an asset as opposed to an unwanted cap balancing piece.
Probably the most surface level evaluation of his play within the context of the team and coaches but I'll let it pass since you're not a flyers fan. You'll just have to trust us on this one. I appreciate you thinking you have a better grasp of the entirety of the situation than us.
This is nothing close to the best offer the Flyers will get for Giroux. He's likely the best "rental" being dealt at the deadline in a long time and the Avs 1st will be at the end of the round. Look, I'm not a "Byram or Newhook must be included" guy, but if the Avs want Giroux they will need to bundle their 1st with TWO very good prospects like Barron and Olausson. Let's be honest, even as a vet, Giroux has carried the Flyers for years. And he just showed, that when surrounded by talent, he can still be an awesome player. If the Avs land Giroux without removing anything from their roster, they are a clear favorite to win a Cup. And, if Giroux is a great fit there, I have a feeling the Avs and he could workout a fair 2-3 year extension so he can be a part of a multi-year run.
You have a lot of what ifs and you are acting as though I have any say. But if I'm the Flyers I offer to retain salary (at a price) in order to fit G under the cap. If the offer is a 1st in 2023 and Kaut, I definitely wouldn't take JTC as well, that's not an overly enticing deal. But if JTC has to be included, I ask for an additional pick to take that on. I also didn't say they wouldn't take cap back, I stated that the deal would need to be the value of Giroux (1st and prospect) + the cost to absorb additional cap, so maybe that's a lesser prospect of another pick (teams trade 3rds and 4ths for retention). There is also the option to include a 3rd team for some retention, but again that usually costs a pick. I think the Avs best option would be to trade JTC for whatever and not try to force him into a deal for Giroux, unless the Flyers see value in JTC in which case its a win-win.
Avs AHL team is pretty average. Barron doing pretty well there. Nothing spectacular though.
You seem like there are only 2 options - trade to the Avs for 1 + Kaut or trade to the Avs for 1 + Barron + Olausson. There is an entire world of possibilities that aren't those 2 options. The issue is you want to offer low ball, fans of Philly (not me by the way) want the moon and the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. But you seem hell bent on just looking at your wanted return, and that doesn't allow for much discussion. Giroux probably costs a 1st + more than Kaut with retention. Kaut is the type of asset a team gets for retention. But if you are going to insist that a low ball is all you'd fake offer and there is no changing your mind, just leave the forum. You aren't going to convince the majority of Philly fans that your offer is enough. Many have explained why and yet you want to go back with your exact same argument. We get it, you don't think there is going to be a bidding war for Giroux so you will only offer an underpay. Now I'm sure teams like Boston, Carolina, St Louis, Minnesota would all love to add a Giroux to their roster at the deadline. Some have more cap than Colorado, some have less - With the exception of Carolina and Colorado, all have this years 1st round pick, and all have prospects better than Kaut.
There may be some debate if Kaut is worth a 1st right now. If I'm a team willing to trade my 1st round pick, Kaut wouldn't be on my list of assets I would be looking to acquire.
Fair enough. It's baffling to me that your answer was to get Ristolainen and the corpse of Keith Yandle to the defensive problems.
