Speculation: Claude Giroux and the Colorado Avalanche

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Most Avs fans have said they'd be willing to move Barron and the 1st. Byram and Newhook should 100% be off the table, name me one rental trade that has returned a prospect on either of their levels.

Filip Forsberg was traded for Erat.

But that's the exception not the norm.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Filip Forsberg was traded for Erat.

But that's the exception not the norm.

Exactly. That was also universally laughed at immediately after the trade happened, and happened (this is bananas to me) almost 9 years ago.

 

[McJedi]

Yes, but there are always several players that are available at the deadline. It only makes for antagonizing interactions if you assume the other team has to give you a discount. It's similar to these boards during the Duchene negotiations where there was a lot of talk about how Sakic had to make a move, do it fast, and that it would be for cheap since Duchene was making so much stink about wanting out.

But Sakic didn’t need to make a move at a date certain time. Philly does by the deadline in March. Or get nothing for him in a season that’s already a wash out for the franchise.

And i apologize for the bad typo conflating Giroux with Girard. Yikes.

 

[Dooble08]

Giroux isn't going to any legitimate contender without retention (or weird cap circumvention), so the retention is the cost of giving Giroux a chance at the Cup. The 2nd + Compher's minimal value covers the difference between Barron and Giroux.

The Rangers have the cap space to make it work.

 

[Ararana]

The Rangers have the cap space to make it work.

He said legitimate contender...

 

[Dooble08]

He said legitimate contender...

The only reason the Rangers aren't held within the same standard as the Avs is because the West is a lot weaker than the East. Giroux to the Rangers makes them a better team than the Avs without Giroux.

 

[FlyguyOX]

1st and a great young player is the real world ask, so if your offers aren't in line then quit wasting your time.

 

[Ararana]

The only reason the Rangers aren't held within the same standard as the Avs is because the West is a lot weaker than the East. Giroux to the Rangers makes them a better team than the Avs without Giroux.

Oh you poor summer child...

 

[Seras]

Wow! you can read peoples minds. Impressive!

I find it amusing that the same people saying to leave possible millions on the table for a cup are generally the same people who would move across the entire country for another 20k per year.

It's easy to give other people's money away.

 

[Seras]

Seems like a bad idea to leave Philly this year, much smart to leave as a UFA since he has a full NTC.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

But Sakic didn’t need to make a move at a date certain time. Philly does by the deadline in March. Or get nothing for him in a season that’s already a wash out for the franchise.

And i apologize for the bad typo conflating Giroux with Girard. Yikes.

I’ve seen comments of this nature a bunch of times on this thread now. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Giroux would only accept a trade to Colorado, other than pure speculation. In which case, there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that just because Sakic can stand pat/and or completely low ball Philly for G, that G will simply ride out the rest of the season and Philly will let him go to free agency.

There are after all a few other contending teams out there, in case you guys have completely forgotten that.

 

[Gurglesons]

But Sakic didn’t need to make a move at a date certain time. Philly does by the deadline in March. Or get nothing for him in a season that’s already a wash out for the franchise.

And i apologize for the bad typo conflating Giroux with Girard. Yikes.

Then they get nothing for Giroux and likely resign him.

 

[McJedi]

Then they get nothing for Giroux and likely resign him.

Ok. That’s fine. You don’t trade a 20 year old 2C on an ELC for a rental. That’s Forsberg trade stupid. Sakic = not stupid.

 

[McJedi]

I’ve seen comments of this nature a bunch of times on this thread now. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Giroux would only accept a trade to Colorado, other than pure speculation. In which case, there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that just because Sakic can stand pat/and or completely low ball Philly for G, that G will simply ride out the rest of the season and Philly will let him go to free agency.

There are after all a few other contending teams out there, in case you guys have completely forgotten that.

And he may say. I’ll only go to the Panthers. Then the Panthers will see what they have to offer. If they are even interested

Giroux holds the cards. Not Phillys GM. And if Giroux wants to be traded to Colorado or Tampa or Vegas and Phillys GM plays hardball and it doesn’t happen. Good luck resigning him. Sounds like a poisoned well to me.

 

[McJedi]

1st and a great young player is the real world ask, so if your offers aren't in line then quit wasting your time.

If Philly had leverage, you could stay that with a straight face. NMC.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

And he may say. I’ll only go to the Panthers. Then the Panthers will see what they have to offer. If they are even interested

Giroux holds the cards. Not Phillys GM. And if Giroux wants to be traded to Colorado or Tampa or Vegas and Phillys GM plays hardball and it doesn’t happen. Good luck resigning him. Sounds like a poisoned well to me.

What is more likely, that Giroux has a single team he’d accept a trade to, or that there are in fact several others he will openly consider, if in fact he wants out? Occam’s razor, look it up.

A poisoned well, what? The guy has played his entire career here and has a young family and child in Philly. He has yet to even ask for a trade despite the Flyers being horrid or mediocre the past decade of play, all while his window to win a cup is closing (despite his still great production). Literally everything we’ve heard to this day is pure speculation. Do you even think before you type?

 

[Gurglesons]

Ok. That’s fine. You don’t trade a 20 year old 2C on an ELC for a rental. That’s Forsberg trade stupid. Sakic = not stupid.

I mean, there are reasons for Colorado to go all in this year and getting a player like
Giroux makes their top nine impeccable.

 

[flyerslducks]

Giroux ain’t going to the f***ing rangers

 

[flyerslducks]

I doubt it. Besides, Giroux is one of several players that will be available.

Like someone else said, there always are. But name one that is as versatile as giroux…someone capable of playing center in the top 6, wing, pk, top5 faceoff, great on the pp, ppg potential

 

[FlyguyOX]

What is more likely, that Giroux has a single team he’d accept a trade to, or that there are in fact several others he will openly consider, if in fact he wants out? Occam’s razor, look it up.

A poisoned well, what? The guy has played his entire career here and has a young family and child in Philly. He has yet to even ask for a trade despite the Flyers being horrid or mediocre the past decade of play, all while his window to win a cup is closing (despite his still great production). Literally everything we’ve heard to this day is pure speculation. Do you even think before you type?

Yeah these guys are living in La La land. GM and ownership on the hot seat but they're basically going to give G away for pennies; makes sense.

 

[Groo]

Like someone else said, there always are. But name one that is as versatile as giroux…someone capable of playing center in the top 6, wing, pk, top5 faceoff, great on the pp, ppg potential

Hertl
Not sure how Miller does at the dot

 

[McJedi]

Like someone else said, there always are. But name one that is as versatile as giroux…someone capable of playing center in the top 6, wing, pk, top5 faceoff, great on the pp, ppg potential

There are lots and lots of options. He’s just one of the better ones.

Pavelski, Rakell, Giordano, Copp, JT Miller, Manson, Chariot, Lehkonen and so on. Sakic could go in any number of ways.

 

[Overrateprospects]

The Rangers have the cap space to make it work.

He won’t go to Rangers because I doubt he wants to play for them and doubt Rangers have interest in a guy who thinks grabbing a cop’s butt is just humorous.

I see a team out West trading for him

 

[JoeSakic13]

”Giroux ain’t going to the f***ing rangers” - Chuck Fletcher

Fixed it for you

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I mean, there are reasons for Colorado to go all in this year and getting a player like
Giroux makes their top nine impeccable.

There are reasons to not go all in this year too. Like the fact the core is still really young and the team is poised to be a legitimate contender for the next decade if we don't do anything horribly stupid. If the Flyers demand for Giroux doesn't work for the Avs' long term plans, then we should just walk away.