Speculation: Claude Giroux and the Colorado Avalanche

[Kocur Dill]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

 

[Adam Warlock]

He also fills a key need for Colorado so they won't be keen to trade him.

He'll probably get another season in the AHL next year to further improve his defense which is still a bit suspect. Helleson is more NHL ready than Barron, though he has a lower ceiling.

So the Avs dont wanna trade Barron, Newhook, Byram, or their 1st?

Its easier to just say they dont want Giroux lol

 

[McJedi]

The more I read about Barron, it does seem like he fills a Flyers need. How close to NHL ready is he?

1st+Barron+Compher would be the trade I guess.

No. Flyers would have to add something substantial to that. You’re punch drunk if you think Philly is getting two firsts for a rental with full NMC.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

Why would a Stanley Cup contender trade a player top five in scoring? Kadri is the far superior player this season so why would Colorado downgrade for another UFA?

 

[McJedi]

So the Avs dont wanna trade Barron, Newhook, Byram, or their 1st?

Its easier to just say they dont want Giroux lol

The Avs 2023 1st is on the table and is the base or main piece of a Giroux trade. It’s the + that gets haggled over. No chance in hell it’s a Byram or Newhook. It’s not a Barron or Oscar O either.

Avs fans want JT Compher to be part of the package. Sakic may feel differently.

2023 1st + Matt Steinberg + JTC for Giroux at 50%. Avs include conditional 2024 2nd rounder if Avs make Stanley Cup Finals.

 

[Avs44]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

Yes. The Avalanche are on the verge of a rebuild which means we need to trade all our expiring contracts ASAP. We would absolutely love to trade you the league's current third leading scorer. His hefty cap hit of $4.5 million relative to his mediocre production is absolutely crippling the club's cap structure and preventing us from bringing in players having inferior seasons. Please eat his cap for us.

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[GirardSpinorama]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

Sure if you send us another player that's top 5 in scoring.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Sure if you send us another player that's top 5 in scoring.

Preferably with a similar cap hit.

 

[Avaholic29]

So the Avs dont wanna trade Barron, Newhook, Byram, or their 1st?

Its easier to just say they dont want Giroux lol

Or it’s easier to educate yourself on a full no move clause. If giroux only picks one or two teams you better prepare yourself for a return much lower than the players mentioned lol.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

Wait what?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Byram, or their 1st?

So the Avs dont wanna trade Barron, Newhook, Byram, or their 1st?

Its easier to just say they dont want Giroux lol

lol so true

 

[Dooble08]

The Avs 2023 1st is on the table and is the base or main piece of a Giroux trade. It’s the + that gets haggled over. No chance in hell it’s a Byram or Newhook. It’s not a Barron or Oscar O either.

Avs fans want JT Compher to be part of the package. Sakic may feel differently.

2023 1st + Matt Steinberg + JTC for Giroux at 50%. Avs include conditional 2024 2nd rounder if Avs make Stanley Cup Finals.

Yeah it'll be Barron, Olausson, or Helleson, a 2023 1st, and a cap dump (JTC) for G at 50%. Your offer gets Sakic hung up on. This isn't NHL 22 with the trade difficulty set to "accept all."

The reasoning behind it is because you are trading for an elite player to (hopefully) push the Avs over the top. Plus you have no cap space. So you have to unload a better quality prospect for the Flyers to retain as well as take a cap dump back.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yeah it'll be Barron, Olausson, or Helleson, a 2023 1st, and a cap dump (JTC) for G at 50%. Your offer gets Sakic hung up on. This isn't NHL 22 with the trade difficulty set to "accept all."

The reasoning behind it is because you are trading for an elite player to (hopefully) push the Avs over the top. Plus you have no cap space. So you have to unload a better quality prospect for the Flyers to retain as well as take a cap dump back.

You have to retain cause Claude's cap hit is 8 mill. Name me one contender that can fit that cap hit. If you don't retain, you're not getting any offers at all.

 

[Richard88]

You have to retain cause Claude's cap hit is 8 mill. Name me one contender that can fit that cap hit. If you don't retain, you're not getting any offers at all.

Vegas or Tampa would easily fit it in by leaving a few guys on LTIR until game 1 of the playoffs...

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Vegas or Tampa would easily fit it in by leaving a few guys on LTIR until game 1 of the playoffs...

Haha true.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Yeah it'll be Barron, Olausson, or Helleson, a 2023 1st, and a cap dump (JTC) for G at 50%. Your offer gets Sakic hung up on. This isn't NHL 22 with the trade difficulty set to "accept all."

The reasoning behind it is because you are trading for an elite player to (hopefully) push the Avs over the top. Plus you have no cap space. So you have to unload a better quality prospect for the Flyers to retain as well as take a cap dump back.

Based on what I've seen, the the only way a trade happens is if the Flyers are trying to grant Giroux's request to be traded to a contender to give him a shot at the Cup. And, there won't be many realistic destinations, since most contenders won't be able to make the cap work without moving someone important.

So, my question is, how exactly does playing hardball or hanging up on one of the few GMs in the NHL who can realistically give Giroux that good chance at a Cup help achieve the goal of getting him a good chance at the Cup?

 

[Richard88]

Based on what I've seen, the the only way a trade happens is if the Flyers are trying to grant Giroux's request to be traded to a contender to give him a shot at the Cup. And, there won't be many realistic destinations, since most contenders won't be able to make the cap work without moving someone important.

So, my question is, how exactly does playing hardball or hanging up on one of the few GMs in the NHL who can realistically give Giroux that good chance at a Cup help achieve the goal of getting him a good chance at the Cup?

Giroux double retained would only have less than a $2.1m caphit, which would be rather easy to fit in for most teams one would think. Everyone has a surplus 4th liner earning a mill too much.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

Put down the bottle. Holy shit.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Or it’s easier to educate yourself on a full no move clause. If giroux only picks one or two teams you better prepare yourself for a return much lower than the players mentioned lol.

What evidence do you have that he would only pick 1 or 2 teams? Why are you assuming thatd be the case?

And even if it was only 2, thats enough for a bidding war.

 

[MacWinnon]

Yeah it'll be Barron, Olausson, or Helleson, a 2023 1st, and a cap dump (JTC) for G at 50%. Your offer gets Sakic hung up on. This isn't NHL 22 with the trade difficulty set to "accept all."

The reasoning behind it is because you are trading for an elite player to (hopefully) push the Avs over the top. Plus you have no cap space. So you have to unload a better quality prospect for the Flyers to retain as well as take a cap dump back.

Not as hard as we're laughing at your comment, though. You'd be lucky to get one of the prospects and like a 4th, let alone a 1st. JTC is also a little more than a cap dump, he's not great, but is at least a serviceable player.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

What evidence do you have that he would only pick 1 or 2 teams? Why are you assuming thatd be the case?

And even if it was only 2, thats enough for a bidding war.

We don't have evidence for anything since it's all behind closed doors. He has a full NMC, he can pick no teams if he wants.

He has zero obligation to go to the team that the flyer's pick. So he'll go to wherever he wants to go to.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Would Colorado be willing to send Kadri to NYR at a reduced premium for us to eat his cap?

We could use him. Test drive him pre-UFA to see if he fits.

Colorado free's up cap to bring in Giroux.

Would make a NYR vs Col SCF pretty interesting too.

 

[wankstifier]

We don't have evidence for anything since it's all behind closed doors. He has a full NMC, he can pick no teams if he wants.

He has zero obligation to go to the team that the flyer's pick. So he'll go to wherever he wants to go to.

Guessing Giroux will supply a list to the Flyers. Hopefully it's longer than one team.

Ideally, there'd still be a decent cost to acquiring Giroux since the Flyers would have to eat shit to make a trade happen to a cap maxed team. Little confidence in Fletcher, though

 

[Adam Warlock]

We don't have evidence for anything since it's all behind closed doors. He has a full NMC, he can pick no teams if he wants.

He has zero obligation to go to the team that the flyer's pick. So he'll go to wherever he wants to go to.

Hes going to want to go to a team that has a shot at a cup. Those teams are the only ones who will want to trade for him. So any offer on the table will probably fit what Gs looking for.

If anything, I could see him ruling out western conference teams bc hes got two young kids he may want to stay closer to.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We don't have evidence for anything since it's all behind closed doors. He has a full NMC, he can pick no teams if he wants.

He has zero obligation to go to the team that the flyer's pick. So he'll go to wherever he wants to go to.

If he is only willing to go to one team and that team offers less than a 1st, do they just tell Giroux fine miss the playoffs we'd rather get nothing than a 4th round pick to make you happy. After all a 4th rder is unlikely to make a difference.