Proposal: Chychrun to Anaheim

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Only based on offensive potential..
But even when you factor that in, Faber’s defensive game is still better than Zellwegers offensive..
Kids like Clarke, Faber, Spence, Grans and even Durzi are highly touted..
One was dominant in Juniors
One was just named Big 10 Dman of the year.. you should see over who and will be either in the AHL or NHL shortly
One accumulated 40+ Pts in his 1st AHL as is now in the NHL
The latter is one of the best Dmen not yet in the NHL

I named all these kids because most NHL2022 guys in here don’t realize just how good the Kings pipeline is and based everything off of their draft position..

I think most people realize how good the kings pool is.... but it sounds like maybe you dont know how good Anaheim's pool is....

 

[rt]

Coyotes can get a better haul.

Then make one. Put it out there man. You got this.

 

[kings11]

Based on your theory

wouldn't that make
Zellweger = Clarke
and they are worse than Grans Spence?

where do you put Thrun/Helleson/Lacombe in your list?
I got to assume you have them ahead of clarke, because they are proving it in a harder league?

I read kings boards pretty often, i know you guys are better than this

Last I saw neither was as highly touted as Clarke, in fact, any of the Kings top 4 Dman prospects would probably slot in as the Ducks #2 prospect behind McT depending on your view of Jacob P.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Haha. I was just coming back to say I normally like your posts and to make sure you knew I was talking shit on your posts and not on you. Lol.

Now kiss

 

[Empoleon8771]

Haha. I was just coming back to say I normally like your posts and to make sure you knew I was talking shit on your posts and not on you. Lol.

That sounds good, I appreciate you clearing that up.

Sorry for being a dick in here. We had a disagreement, no need to be jerks about it.

 

[rt]

Your value is more than a bit off ..
Clarke
Grans
Spence
Are all better Dman prospects than Zellweger.. Spence is proving that in the NHL while Grans is doing it in the AHL…

Loooool

 

[Artanis]

Ott 1st (Top 3 protected)
Brannstrom
JBD/Lassi Thompson?

Does the trade need more than that?

 

[Empoleon8771]

In terms of an actual proposal for Chychrun to Anaheim, I would value Chychrun at the equivalent of 4 1sts, especially considering what Hagel just brought back. Hagel brought back that insane haul because of his contract, Chychrun has the same benefit of being grossly underpaid for what he brings to the table.

Zellweger would definitely be included, so that would be obvious. Perreault's AHL numbers are a bit underwhelming but they look substantially better when you realize he's doing that as an 18 and 19 year old in the AHL. I think Anaheim's 1st would have to be included and should only be top-3 protected, I don't think you can get Chychrun with the best pick being a late 1st if Anaheim's 1st is in the top-10.

Let's pretend that Anaheim's pick ends up like #9 overall this year. I think I'd want Zellweger, Perreault, pick #9 and some other future asset. I'm not sure who else would make sense there, I think Comtois makes more sense for Anaheim than he does for Arizona.

 

[kings11]

I don't think that last bit is true at all. If anything I've long argued the Kings' pool is overrated because a lot of their picks were on guys who went later than people thought they should've.

Like who?
Kaliyev who dropped to the 2nd and has played almost exclusively in the 4th line yet is ranks high among rookies in goals scored?

Let me guess, Byfield, Vilardi and Turcotte haven’t made an impact yet so they suck right? Because unlike the Ducks who are in yard sale mode, the Kings are playoff hunting and being lead by vets still worth their salt.. These kids are being asked to support and help reach the playoffs not given free reign to just focus on offense

Spence who no one knew shit about but dropped 40+ pts in the AHL and jumped to the NHL seemlessly
Grans, who the athletic said is one of the most polished Dman not yet in the NHL
Clarke literally leads his team in points as a Dman
Shit, Faber was just named the Big 10 DPOTY over some pretty damn good guys

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Like who?
Kaliyev who dropped to the 2nd and has played almost exclusively in the 4th line yet is ranks high among rookies in goals scored?

Let me guess, Byfield, Vilardi and Turcotte haven’t made an impact yet so they suck right? Because unlike the Ducks who are in yard sale mode, the Kings are playoff hunting and being lead by vets still worth their salt.. These kids are being asked to support and help reach the playoffs not given free reign to just focus on offense

Spence who no one knew shit about but dropped 40+ pts in the AHL and jumped to the NHL seemlessly
Grans, who the athletic said is one of the most polished Dman not yet in the NHL
Clarke literally leads his team in points as a Dman
Shit, Faber was just named the Big 10 DPOTY over some pretty damn good guys

Kaliyev, Thomas, Vilardi, Fagemo, Grans, there's been a few, probably some I'm forgetting. I never said anyone sucked, but people have raved for years about the Kings' system and it has a lot to do with where guys were ranked pre-draft IMO. So it's just the opposite of what you're saying.

 

[BigRangy]

Idk what timeline the ducks want to compete on but I think Zellweger will be a comparable (or maybe even better) piece than Chychrun.

Wouldn’t be a bad deal for the ducks though. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think it required him breaking into the NHL and having that phenomenal 10 game sample in the NHL to actually increase his value in an notable amount. Without those 10 games, I think Comtois would have just been valued as a "great 2nd rounder who's looking like he should have gone higher". Those 10 games made a massive difference because it showed he could play in the NHL.

By your logic, how does a prospect out of a junior league manage to get drafted after their first year of eligibility? If they go undrafted at 18, how does someone like them enough to draft them at 19, unless they've managed to raise their stock/value? How do prospects passed over twice managed to earn a pro contract at 20 coming out of their junior OA year, when there are prospects out there the same age performing in college or pro leagues? Or even manage to improve their draft ranking throughout a given season if they are stuck in a junior league.

Your statement was far too much of the blanket variety. Sure it may be easier for a pro or college prospect to improve their stock due to competition level. That doesn't completely preclude a junior player from making massive gains to their value. Zellweger starting the WJC on Canada's top pairing as an 18 year old in itself already indicated his stock had risen dramatically.

 

[kings11]

Kaliyev, Thomas, Vilardi, Fagemo, Grans, there's been a few, probably some I'm forgetting. I never said anyone sucked, but people have raved for years about the Kings' system and it has a lot to do with where guys were ranked pre-draft IMO. So it's just the opposite of what you're saying.

Not exactly,
Fagemo was an overager
Vilardi was experiencing injuries that led to him to playing less than a full season over 3 years
The Kings have taken a ton of chances and they’ve been paying off…

Look at Jordan Spence, the kid gives legit Lubomir Visnovsky vibes.. if you’re an older Ducks fan, you’d know just how impressive that kid could be

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Not exactly,
Fagemo was an overager
Vilardi was experiencing injuries that led to him to playing less than a full season over 3 years
The Kings have taken a ton of chances and they’ve been paying off…

Look at Jordan Spence, the kid gives legit Lubomir Visnovsky vibes.. if you’re an older Ducks fan, you’d know just how impressive that kid could be

Well yeah, my whole mindset is that people fall for a reason. That's why I don't pay attention to "draft winners" declared the day of and the last few years the Kings were always in those conversations. And I think that's part of why people really highly rate their system.

And again, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm sure Jordan Spence is good. I'm just saying your assertion isn't true. People love the Kings' prospect system and almost always throw where they were actually drafted out the window(as they should).

 

[kings11]

Well yeah, my whole mindset is that people fall for a reason. That's why I don't pay attention to "draft winners" declared the day of and the last few years the Kings were always in those conversations. And I think that's part of why people really highly rate their system.

And again, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm sure Jordan Spence is good. I'm just saying your assertion isn't true. People love the Kings' prospect system and almost always throw where they were actually drafted out the window(as they should).

It’s an agree you disagree situation..
I like McT and Zellweger myself but I just think our kids are more polished and proven..

 

[DucksUnited]

Idk what timeline the ducks want to compete on but I think Zellweger will be a comparable (or maybe even better) piece than Chychrun.

Wouldn’t be a bad deal for the ducks though. One in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Yah a few of us don’t like the idea of adding Chyhcrun due to wasting his current contract years here when they aren’t going to be competitive. And this time table is Atleast 3 years out before being competitive again from Anaheim imo. You have Manson, Lindholm, Deslauriers out. And we still have Rakell and Comtois who needs to be dealt.

A few people here are also shaky on Gibson. I imagine he will be wanting out this deadline or this summer. He won’t stick around for the rebuild. And I don’t blame em.

With the assets coming back? All picks and prospects. You can tell the direction what Anaheims front office is wanting to do. But Atleast they pulled the bandaid off. And no more retool shit that this Org loved to do under Murray

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

It’s an agree you disagree situation..
I like McT and Zellweger myself but I just think our kids are more polished and proven..

I never even said otherwise lol

 

[Djp]

I think that offer essentially is 3 1sts, and id say he undersold the 2nd... prob could have anaheim 2nd which should be top 40.

Zells = 1st
Perreault = 1st
1st = 1st
2nd = top 40 pick(which is prob pretty close in terms of value to a late 1st)

Zell does not hold 1st value. He was drafted high 2nd this past year.
Perrault is a late 1st. He doesn’t hold the value of a future unprotected 1st.

you want him, give up the 1st this year unprotected.

Hes better than Lindholm. Under contract multiple years and younger.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

Zell does not hold 1st value. He was drafted high 2nd this past year.
Perrault is a late 1st. He doesn’t hold the value of a future unprotected 1st.

you want him, give up the 1st this year unprotected.

Hes better than Lindholm. Under contract multiple years and younger.

That's like, your opinion man.

 

[bsu]

Zell does not hold 1st value. He was drafted high 2nd this past year.
Perrault is a late 1st. He doesn’t hold the value of a future unprotected 1st.

you want him, give up the 1st this year unprotected.

Hes better than Lindholm. Under contract multiple years and younger.

Everyone has an opinion even if it's

 

[Guitpik]

Loooool

Yeah, you're not biased at all...

 

[rt]

Zell does not hold 1st value. He was drafted high 2nd this past year.
Perrault is a late 1st. He doesn’t hold the value of a future unprotected 1st.

you want him, give up the 1st this year unprotected.

Hes better than Lindholm. Under contract multiple years and younger.

There aren’t 15 players in this draft I’d take ahead of him.

 

[Paul4587]

Done.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

So the same as what your UFA to be got? Lol.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Zell does not hold 1st value. He was drafted high 2nd this past year.

He was drafted two picks short of the first round and since then has outperformed at least 25 of the guys picked ahead of him. If he was born 6 days later he'd comfortably be in the top 15, possibly top 10 or even top 5 for this upcoming draft. Sorry but the notion that he has less value than even a late 1st at this point is laughable.