Rumor: Chychrun Megathread (Asking price has been met per Sportsnet)

[Mosby]

Toronto doesn’t have the pieces

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I don’t see a fit with Toronto at all. The best fits for a trade are the kings and rangers from a standpoint that they both have the surplus assets to offer.

While Carolina has been mentioned, there doesn’t seem to be much smoke there. Their fans don’t seem too keen on it and their only major piece is Jarvis, who I doubt they move.

I’m beginning to think a move with LA involving turcotte could happen. Turcotte has some style similarities with Lundell. Both are two way, prickly centers who have high potential defensively. The key difference is Lundell has broken into the league and has priced himself out of our range. Turcotte has yet to break through, but may if he gets an opportunity.

Perhaps that’s BA’s mentality… if you can’t have Lundell, maybe you can get Walmart Lundell and hope he turns into Lundell

 

[rt]

I gotta stop posting with a Donald Trump voice in my head. Literally NOBODY understood and I got banned. Haha. I thought it was pretty clear. Nerds. lol.

 

[rt]

These predictions are getting worse and worse.

I think a lot of people here are forgetting BA doesn’t have to move Chychrun. If he doesn’t get an offer that he is looking for just hold him and try again next year.

I’d rather hold than pull the trigger for Swayman and throw-ins or Knight and throw-ins.

Just hold.

I honestly believe it’s gonna be Chychrun for DeBrusk, Swayman, a 1st, and prospect. I don’t want that. Not at all. But I think that’s what’s gonna happen.

Personally, I wouldn’t even trade our 3rd for DeBrusk. I’d rather have Cole Spicer. Really. A year ago, I liked DeBrusk as a bounce back candidate. I loved the swagger he played with early on. Spunky little dude. Not tough, but cocky and had some moxy. Now he looks like a zombie out there. Dude sleepwalks. I don’t want him at all.

I like Swayman. If I could have any goalie prospect in the world for free, it would be him. That’s right, I have him above Knight, Cossa, Wallstedt, and Askarov. Having said that, there are at least 20 non-goalie prospects in this draft I’d rather have than Swayman. And since I expect at least one of my top 20 to be there at each of CAR and COL picks, I wouldn’t trade either for Swayman right now. It would have to be at the draft table (not suggesting Boston would do this, I’m just stating value).

So if I’m being VERY generous, I’d rate Swayman’s value right at the AZ 2nd and DeBrusk right at the AZ 3rd.

Their top 2 prospects are Lysell and Lohrei. I’d take Lysell, if given the choice. Super high ceiling, super low floor. Complete boom or bust. Could be Mitch Marner, could be Rob Schremp. Big time gamble. Would I trade either the COL or CAR 1st for him sight unseen? Yeah. The LAK pick or ANA pick or CBJ pick? Oh heck no!!!

To me ONLY and from my own Yotes perspective ONLY, I’d say that IMO, for me…

Lysell = pick 25 (+/- 5)
BOS 1st = pick 27 (+/-5)
Swayman = pick 32 (+/- 5)
DeBrusk = pick 80 (+/- 5)

^ so even given my VERY low estimation of that package, it seems to be “fair”-ish when looked at “on-paper”, even by a huge skeptic.

 

[rt]

Toronto doesn’t have the pieces

It would have to be a huge pile and their fans would be absolutely hysterical at the suggestion. But I’m thinking Sandin AND Knies AND Niemela AND the 1st. Like that. A very BIG pile of stuff.

 

[XX]

DeBrusk has no transactional value. He is, at best, a short term tax to the Coyotes to get the deal done.

I doubt goalies are being targeted at all. There isn't a worse place to convert the value of your 1D.

 

[zerekstar]

To be honest I am surprised the Jets are not making a pitch.

 

[XX]

To be honest I am surprised the Jets are not making a pitch.

Not really enough there to do a deal if Perfetti is off the table.

 

[zerekstar]

Not really enough there to do a deal if Perfetti is off the table.

Is he off the table?

 

[XX]

Is he off the table?

It would seem the Jets need scoring talent up front to maintain where they are at. The system is pretty bare. Lucius + Heinola wouldn't do it.

 

[rt]

It would seem the Jets need scoring talent up front to maintain where they are at. The system is pretty bare. Lucius + Heinola wouldn't do it.

Heinola as the young roster player, Lucius as the the former 1st, and the WPG 1st in ‘22 is a pretty good package, IMO. It’s not really exciting but it’s solid. I would rather just keep Chychrun but if he’s got to go, that’s passable.

 

[zerekstar]

It would seem the Jets need scoring talent up front to maintain where they are at. The system is pretty bare. Lucius + Heinola wouldn't do it.

I always thought they were good up front but have no one to get the puck to the forwards but if there is nothing there there is nothing there

 

[Headcrush19]

I say we keep Chychrun if the offers aren't good enough.He is still young for à d-man

 

[hbk]

Lots of Sharks scouts in attendance. We don’t play themfor awhile.

 

[XX]

Lots of Sharks scouts in attendance. We don’t play themfor awhile.

Probably looking at Ghost or Kessel, and wanting to unload Labanc

 

[rt]

Probably looking at Ghost or Kessel, and wanting to unload Labanc

Schmaltz for Labanc?

 

[rt]

DeBrusk has no transactional value. He is, at best, a short term tax to the Coyotes to get the deal done.

I doubt goalies are being targeted at all. There isn't a worse place to convert the value of your 1D.

I am positive goalies are being targeted. There a just no explanation for Boston and Florida continuing to come up. And Marek and Friedman talked more about Hofer than anyone else from STL when speculating. Saying other teams have tried to pry him loose and have been told no but for Chychrun maybe.

I hate it and I don’t want it to be true. But it explains too much not to be true.

Also, think back to the off-season before the Garland trade. When Vancouver and Boston were in on OEL. It went right to OEL’s NMC deadline. The rumors out of Vancouver were that BA insisted on Demko and Benning wasn’t willing to go there. BA turned down rep value for OEL. He turned down actual assets. All because he couldn’t get Demko.

And we never found out what the ask was from Boston. Very possible it was Swayman. If Chychrun gets dealt to Boston for Swayman, I bet we find out that BA had been trying to get him since his first week on the job and that was the initial target from Boston when BA took over from Sullivan.

 

[XX]

I am positive goalies are being targeted. There a just no explanation for Boston and Florida continuing to come up.

Boston has dire LD need and Chychrun would love to stay in Florida, where his dad works. You're seeing things that aren't necessarily there.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I doubt we’d even get knight from Florida at this point. He’s not having a good reason but he’s their backup. You need two goalies going into the playoffs. Without Lundell or knight, there is no worthwhile deal to be had with Florida

 

[rt]

I doubt we’d even get knight from Florida at this point. He’s not having a good reason but he’s their backup. You need two goalies going into the playoffs. Without Lundell or knight, there is no worthwhile deal to be had with Florida

He got sent down today. He was called up because of Covid I think.

 

[rt]

Boston has dire LD need and Chychrun would love to stay in Florida, where his dad works. You're seeing things that aren't necessarily there.

What could Boston possibly offer outside of Swayman? Same for Florida and Knight (you know Lundell isn’t going anywhere)?

What I’m seeing is the only two teams in the NHL who’s top prospects are goalies are the two teams that ceaselessly connected to Chychrun rumors.

 

[Grimes]

I absolutely think BA wants his goalie of the future. I wonder if Plandowski is a big part of this idea too. Maybe they are trying to replicate what TB has with Vasilevskiy.

We have all re-hashed this but it's a terrible plan because you can you find elite goalies in later rounds of the draft, were we have more picks than we will be able to manage at some point (at least goalies take forever to develop so you don't need to be as ontop of their development. Hell draft one in rounds 2 & 3 this year). We also have what I imagine is considered a top 10-15 goalie prospect in the league, maybe higher. But the most damning thing to me is that both Knight and Swayman will be able to start breaking through in the next two seasons. But we won't really need to plop a goalie into a stacked roster for at least 3.

On the flip side to all of this, and what is helping myself calm down about how obvious Swayman/Demko/Knight are assets BA covets, is that you can just as easily end up like COL or CAR. They have all of the pieces but a goalie. COL just traded a 1st and B prospect for one, and he hasn't done anything. There may be something to the idea that goalies rebound so we'll in AZ because there is a lack of pressure. Or maybe other teams take them too lightly. Then when they go back to a contender they come back down to earth.

I'll probably go radio silent if Swayman. Or Knight are the best piece in a trade. But I'm coming around to the idea that if a goalie is the core piece to a trade we won't be able to evaluate the trade for many years, and by then hopefully we are happy to have the goalie because they put the team over the top.

That's the optimist in me at least

 

[lanky]

Why didn't Bill claim Connor Ingram?

 

[XX]

What could Boston possibly offer outside of Swayman? Same for Florida and Knight (you know Lundell isn’t going anywhere)?

Offering =/= BA is targeting specifically a goalie in return.

Every team would love to trade their luxury goalie for a cheap player as productive and young as Chychrun. That's the dream. Both of these teams have a pile of stuff to go with the goalie - why wouldn't that be the play? Get so much raw value that you have positive EV.

 

[rt]

Offering =/= BA is targeting specifically a goalie in return.

Every team would love to trade their luxury goalie for a cheap player as productive and young as Chychrun. That's the dream. Both of these teams have a pile of stuff to go with the goalie - why wouldn't that be the play? Get so much raw value that you have positive EV.

Here’s what I’m asking; how are Boston and Florida still “in it” when the Rangers and Kings are supposedly “out”?