Rumor: Chychrun Megathread (Asking price has been met per Sportsnet)
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That’s my thought. But XX disagrees. So I’m hoping to get an alternate option that makes me feel better. Because I do NOT want a goalie. Even though I think that’s what we’re getting.
Also- not that Bally knows anything but I found it bizarre how much they keyed in on DeBrusk last night. Really just jamming home the “he’s one of ours” narrative. Very awkward and over the top. I guess they saw how well the Matthews narrative played on TNT and were trying to force fit the DeBrusk thing. It was very lame, but it made me think.
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I’ll say this, I’m going to be absolutely furious when the third piece we get other than the young goalie and the first isn’t either Lysell Or Samoskevich. We had BETTER get their best non-goalie prospect, in addition to the goalie and the pick.
I can force myself to live with Knight/Swayman and a 1st if we also get Lysell/Samoskevich. But if all we get is Tippett or Studnicka, I’m going to lose it.
In the worst and darkest corner of my mind, there exists a place where I fully expect the “young roster piece with 1st round pedigree” is going to be DeBrusk or Tippett, and the “blue chip prospect” is going to be Swayman or Knight and the “1st round pick” is going to Boston or Florida’s 2023 1st.
When that happens, I apologize to all of you for the ricochets that are going to hit you as all of HF shows up to dunk on me. I’ve been saying Swayman+Lysell+1st terrible and that Knight+Samoskevich+1st is terrible. When it turns out that we get DeBrusk/Tippett instead of Lysell/Samoskevich - it’s gonna be ugly in the main board. And I brought it down upon us myself. Hahahahaha
I can force myself to live with Knight/Swayman and a 1st if we also get Lysell/Samoskevich. But if all we get is Tippett or Studnicka, I’m going to lose it.
In the worst and darkest corner of my mind, there exists a place where I fully expect the “young roster piece with 1st round pedigree” is going to be DeBrusk or Tippett, and the “blue chip prospect” is going to be Swayman or Knight and the “1st round pick” is going to Boston or Florida’s 2023 1st.
When that happens, I apologize to all of you for the ricochets that are going to hit you as all of HF shows up to dunk on me. I’ve been saying Swayman+Lysell+1st terrible and that Knight+Samoskevich+1st is terrible. When it turns out that we get DeBrusk/Tippett instead of Lysell/Samoskevich - it’s gonna be ugly in the main board. And I brought it down upon us myself. Hahahahaha
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I don’t believe there are any circumstances that could arise that would convince Florida to move Lundell for Chychrun. Even if Ekblad had a season ending injury. They’d just decide this isn’t their year, and wait until next season. Their core is young. Their GM just won GM of the year. They have time.
Wonder if you could get Boston to include Carlos? Debrusk has no value to the Coyotes. Take him out. Add Mayo as a RHS replacement.
Yes. Especially if the Jets go the mini rebuild route and trade Scheifele (my hope).
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I'm not seeing this happening. Not even close. Would you, as a GM give up a 1st round pick, top prospect and another solid player for Chychrun who's not doing a great job selling himself with his 8 points in 31 games and injury prone? If he gets traded it will be a very disappointing return and the asking price was never what we thought it was. Armstrong is tough and frugal and I'm guessing he never was for sale in the first place. Maybe other GM's asked about him and when they found out the price they passed.
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I’m looking forward to getting dunked on. Haha. I just didn’t mean to drag you all with me.
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This I would likely do. I don’t like Kaut at all, though. Is there a different piece you rate about the same or even a little less that you’d sub.
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The only way the ducks deal McTavish for Chychrun at the draft is if they win the Shane Wright lottery, and Lindholm is leaving.
I don’t think waiting for the draft makes sense for us. Draft pick value is at a premium at the draft, while player value is at a premium at the TDL.
Also, a team that acquired Chychrun now gets FOUR playoff runs with him on his cheap contract. If they wait for the draft, that reduced the number of playoff runs to three. That matters and will impact his value.
Love the discussion on here about trades. You guys are passionate and knowledgable and are keeping it on a fair and realistic level. With that said:
- do you think there's a posibility that Zito is trying to get Chychryn by offering lesser talent of players and more picks? Going with something like Denisenko, Ludvig and two firsts? I mean, if they have Barkov, Lundell, Bennett down the middle, Ekblad, Weegar, Chychrun on D, all six relatively young, and Knight in net, Zito might think: "f..k the draft, I'm set for a couple of years and don't need high picks, let's go all in now". He's in a really good position, with a core of "young" players, and can afford to trade away firsts and seconds for a couple of years.
Don't know if that makes you feel any better @rt, but does anyone here think that's a possibility, considering that Lundell is off the table, and Knight not a target (or off the table, as some are suggesting)?
I think Zito is at least offering another pick (likely a future 2nd) to “compensate” that they don’t have a 22 1st and can only offer a 23 1st rounder. I would jot be remotely surprised if 2 x 1sts r on the table given that these picks are both likely late first rounders.
Of course GMs try with lesser offers as much as possible. But that would be poor overall value. Denisenko and Ludvig wouldn't be the tops on the depth chart here. Those firsts are late and years off. It just does nothing.
Late firsts in particular are overvalued on HF.
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There is a ZERO percent chance that you acquire Chychrun without moving one if Lundell or Knight. And the chances of moving Lundell are also 0% so that means Knight is coming to Arizona if Chychrun is going to Florida.
As for the 2x 1sts, no I don’t think so. The Panthers don’t even have a 1st this year. I don’t see Arizona being interested in a 1st round pick that’s 30 months away, as a key piece of a deposit for Chychrun. That’s just a little too goofy, honesty. That’s a 14 year old. They aren’t trading Chychrun for a 14 year old.
If I’m being 100% honest, I’d rate Florida’s top three prospects as 1. Samoskevich 2. Knight and 3. Denisenko. I’d say the 2023 1st is right around the value of Denisenko. So I’d say those are the top four of the “available assets” (meaning not Lundell).
That being said, I don’t personally think very highly of those assets. I simply don’t like Florida’s prospect pool. Even if we got ALL FOUR of those assets for Chychrun, I personally wouldn’t be happy. I would rather just keep Chychrun than trade him for Knight, Samoskevich, Denisenko and Florida’s 2023 1st.
Please don’t confuse that with me saying Florida would or should offer that or more than that. They would never offer that, let alone more. I would never expect them to. I just personally don’t like Florida’s prospects. I wouldn’t personally trade Chychrun for them.
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I did this for Boston…
“Lysell = pick 25 (+/- 5)
BOS 1st = pick 27 (+/-5)
Swayman = pick 32 (+/- 5)
DeBrusk = pick 80 (+/- 5)
^ so even given my VERY low estimation of that package, it seems to be “fair”-ish when looked at “on-paper”, even by a huge skeptic.”
But it holds about true for the Florida picks.
I like Samoskevich a little less than Lysell. I think Samoskevich has a lower ceiling but a better chance of hitting it. I think of them as fairy similar. But I value Samoskevich slightly less than Lysell.
I value Knight slightly less than Swayman, too. I think both are huge gambles. I like Swayman’s odds a little more than Knight’s. Similar ceilings, but I like Swayman’s chances a bit more. I like Swayman slightly better.
I don’t like DeBrusk or Tippett very much. They’re about tied to me, value-wise. Which is to say I don’t value either much at all. DeBrusk is more expensive but he’s at least done more in the NHL. I know Tippett is younger but I don’t like his upside or his chances much. I think DeBrusk has a small chance of rebounding here. But more likely we just to t even qualify him. Neither player moves the needle for me. They’re like throwing in a 3rd rounder. Doesn’t do anything for me.
Boston’s pick is a year earlier. So I like it more. But I don’t really care much either way. We already have a bunch of picks this year. So I’m indifferent on that.
I did this for Boston…
“Lysell = pick 25 (+/- 5)
BOS 1st = pick 27 (+/-5)
Swayman = pick 32 (+/- 5)
DeBrusk = pick 80 (+/- 5)
^ so even given my VERY low estimation of that package, it seems to be “fair”-ish when looked at “on-paper”, even by a huge skeptic.”
But it holds about true for the Florida picks.
I like Samoskevich a little less than Lysell. I think Samoskevich has a lower ceiling but a better chance of hitting it. I think of them as fairy similar. But I value Samoskevich slightly less than Lysell.
I value Knight slightly less than Swayman, too. I think both are huge gambles. I like Swayman’s odds a little more than Knight’s. Similar ceilings, but I like Swayman’s chances a bit more. I like Swayman slightly better.
I don’t like DeBrusk or Tippett very much. They’re about tied to me, value-wise. Which is to say I don’t value either much at all. DeBrusk is more expensive but he’s at least done more in the NHL. I know Tippett is younger but I don’t like his upside or his chances much. I think DeBrusk has a small chance of rebounding here. But more likely we just to t even qualify him. Neither player moves the needle for me. They’re like throwing in a 3rd rounder. Doesn’t do anything for me.
Boston’s pick is a year earlier. So I like it more. But I don’t really care much either way. We already have a bunch of picks this year. So I’m indifferent on that.
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