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Rumor: Chychrun has Soured on Ottawa, Unlikely to Extend

rt said:
People really underrate the trade value of a 12th overall pick. At the 2022 draft the 11th overall was traded for the 27th, 34th, and 45th overall pick.

Chychrun was dealt for a value roughly equivalent to 27th, 34th, 45th and two additional 2nds.

If Chychrun goes to Florida for a ‘26 1st and a ‘25 2nd, people will say that’s similar value. But it’s not, really. It’s light by about 3x 2nd round picks.
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And that was a year ago. Ottawa was getting a full year of play and another potential postseason out of Chychrun.

This year's version of the player has a season and a half (as opposed to two and a half), two potential post-seasons (as opposed to three). The market is also smaller, as Chychrun's M-NTC is in play, and he looks like more of a red flag because he's asking out of his second team in less than a year.

Chychrun still has value (he's not going to go for scraps), but it's absurd to think that he has the same value he did a year ago.
 
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Ottawa needs:

Good RD
Legit 3rd line type guys who pot 15+, play hard AF and smart
High draft pick

Ottawa does not need:

Any type of LD
Centres
 
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smoneil said:
And that was a year ago. Ottawa was getting a full year of play and another potential postseason out of Chychrun.

This year's version of the player has a season and a half (as opposed to two and a half), two potential post-seasons (as opposed to three). The market is also smaller, as Chychrun's M-NTC is in play, and he looks like more of a red flag because he's asking out of his second team in less than a year.

Chychrun still has value (he's not going to go for scraps), but it's absurd to think that he has the same value he did a year ago.
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Conversely you get a top pair Dman for 2 playoff runs at low cost, and can re-sign him.
He’s exactly what people pay huge amount for at the deadline. Also everyone agreed at the time that AZ got hosed.
 
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habsterr said:
Yes a pc way calling them pile of trash
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Goodrow is great at faceoffs and is an elite penalty killer. He's overpaid by a million dollars or so, but still a useful player. Because of that cap hit, he's likely a slight negative in a trade (but he has an easy buy out, so there's no need for the Rangers to attach a goldmine to him to get rid of him).

Lindgren is an excellent defensive d-man who plays physical and with an edge. He'd be available because I want the Rangers to shake up their defense, and as long as he's on the Rangers, it seems he's always going to be stapled to Fox's pair (and realistically, Lindgren is ideally suited as the defensive half of a 2nd pairing rather than a 1st pairing).

Neither player is a "pile of trash."
 
HFpapi said:
Sens fans weigh in? Has Chychrun been a bright spot this season?
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There haven’t been a lot of bright spots and Chychrun certainly isn’t one. He’s been a disappointment for me, not at all what this team needed. He’s a good player but it hasn’t been a great fit. His defensive play is suspect and this team needed more from him defensively.
 
ole ole said:
But yet just say the owner was willing to retain a %. He could haul in something you couldn't refuse. Retained he's be the top guy on the market.
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For sure, all depends how much he is willing to retain.
With the Sens losing a 1st round pick in the next 3 years, you have to believe the goal here is to get one back on moving Chychrun
 
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Wondercarrot said:
Also everyone agreed at the time that AZ got hosed.
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Everyone who thought Ottawa would be a playoff team did. And then later those who couldn’t discern the vast difference in trade value between pick 12 and pick 27, maintained that opinion. Ottawa actually improved their position by one slot. Moving from 13th to 12th between the time of the trade and failing to make the playoffs. Arizona ended up getting very good value. They gambled and won.
 
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Wondercarrot said:
Conversely you get a top pair Dman for 2 playoff runs at low cost, and can re-sign him.
He’s exactly what people pay huge amount for at the deadline. Also everyone agreed at the time that AZ got hosed.
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Which is less than what Ottawa was getting a year ago. I'm not saying anything controversial. This year's buyer is getting fewer years of a player with larger red flags, while competing with a smaller market (due to the M-NTC). Nobody should be expecting to get dollars on the dollar relative to what Chychrun went for last year.

How is Ottawa with goalies? The Rangers have a very good young goalie on the farm who will likely never get a shot at 1G with Shesterkin in the way. Our goalie pipeline has a history of bearing good players, and he (Dylan Garrand) has had a few years of working with Allaire, and could be a ready as soon as next season.
 
WarriorofTime said:
He’s a soon to be UFA that plays left D where the hawks have enough guys to develop right now. Absolutely not.
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That’s like saying the Hawks shouldnt have signed Campbell cause it would interfere with Keith’s development. Having a great player doesnt prevent a younger, greater player leap frogging them. And the Blackhawks have obscene cap space, plus the cap is about to go up. They can afford for Chychrun to age into a 2D role if/when he’s surpassed.
 
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rt said:
Everyone who thought Ottawa would be a playoff team did. And then later those who couldn’t discern the vast difference in trade value between pick 12 and pick 27, maintained that opinion. Ottawa actually improved their position by one slot. Moving from 13th to 12th between the time of the trade and failing to make the playoffs. Arizona ended up getting very good value. They gambled and won.
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You should share with everyone what you and the yotes thought they would get for Chychurn,
 
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JaegerDice said:
That’s like saying the Hawks shouldnt have signed Campbell cause it would interfere with Keith’s development. Having a great player doesnt prevent a younger, greater player leap frogging them. And the Blackhawks have obscene cap space, plus the cap is about to go up. They can afford for Chychrun to age into a 2D role if/when he’s surpassed.
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After Arizona and Ottawa I don't think he wants to go to another team that is years away from competing.
 
JaegerDice said:
That’s like saying the Hawks shouldnt have signed Campbell cause it would interfere with Keith’s development. Having a great player doesnt prevent a younger, greater player leap frogging them. And the Blackhawks have obscene cap space, plus the cap is about to go up. They can afford for Chychrun to age into a 2D role if/when he’s surpassed.
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What makes you think he wants to re-sign to another rebuild? He asked out of Arizona and doesn't want to re-sign in Ottawa.

I also scoff at calling him a "great" player.
 
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oceanchild said:
It sounds like you are not familiar enough with the work of one Jim Benning
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It is hilarious that this thread about Chychrun has descended into an argument over who is the worst gm of all time and a discussion about whether Chychrun is being an overly entitled in wanting to leave the Coyotes when things with that team looked dim, followed by wanting to leave the Senators while that team is looking particularly dim.

Yes, Dorion will go down as one of the worst general managers of all time. Yes, people will argue for years how much of Dorion's legacy should be placed on or shared with Eugene Melnyk. Yes, it is reasonable for a talented and competitive player who has seen his early career wasted on a poorly managed team to want to go elsewhere before his prime years have been wasted on another poorly managed team.

That is all pretty obvious. What is less obvious to some of who aren't sufficiently addicted to watching the NHL to commonly watch bad teams such as the Coyotes of his years in Arizona nor the Sens in his time in Ottawa is the extent he's contributed to the lack of success of his teams and how much he'd be able to adjust and contribute to a good team. The views of a few more Sens fans would be welcome in that regard.
 
Luigi Lemieux said:
After Arizona and Ottawa I don't think he wants to go to another team that is years away from competing.
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Possibly. Or he’s just tired of organizations with ownership and management in constant state of flux.

If he wants to take a cheaper deal in UFA to join a contender, good on him.
 
rt said:
Everyone who thought Ottawa would be a playoff team did. And then later those who couldn’t discern the vast difference in trade value between pick 12 and pick 27, maintained that opinion. Ottawa actually improved their position by one slot. Moving from 13th to 12th between the time of the trade and failing to make the playoffs. Arizona ended up getting very good value. They gambled and won.
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I don't think the Coyotes actually gambled. I believe they did Chychrun a big favor by trading him to the destiny that he wanted and got back what they could. They did luck out.
I sense part of the reason that Chychrun is dissatisfied is that the Coyotes are competing for a playoff spot and the Sens are the team looking like a dysfunctionable team while the Coyotes were very accommodating. JC didn't realize how good he had it in AZ.
 
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