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Rumor: Chychrun has Soured on Ottawa, Unlikely to Extend

Hale The Villain said:
Pierre Dorion will go down as one of the worst GMs in history
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Most GMs and fans would have made and supported the Debrincat and Chychrun trades at the time they happened. Most observers saw those guys added to Chabot, Tkachuk, Stutzle, etc and Ottawa seemed set to soar in most minds. But they didn’t. Most are surprised where they are now.
 
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Schemp said:
I don't think the Coyotes actually gambled. I believe they did Chychrun a big favor by trading him to the destiny that he wanted and got back what they could. They did luck out.
I sense part of the reason that Chychrun is dissatisfied is that the Coyotes are competing for a playoff spot and the Sens are the team looking like a dysfunctionable team while the Coyotes were very accommodating. JC didn't realize how good he had it in AZ.
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He didn't appreciate the vision and what was/is happening. Patience would've led to him being a big part of a team on the rise. Instead, he became a Senator.
 
Schemp said:
I don't think the Coyotes actually gambled. I believe they did Chychrun a big favor by trading him to the destiny that he wanted and got back what they could. They did luck out.
I sense part of the reason that Chychrun is dissatisfied is that the Coyotes are competing for a playoff spot and the Sens are the team looking like a dysfunctionable team while the Coyotes were very accommodating. JC didn't realize how good he had it in AZ.
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Which tells you a lot when the Coyotes got no immediate help for Chychrun.

Some guys are stats players, some guys are winning players. Chychrun has played 424 NHL games and done very little winning and teams seem to do better before and after he gets there.
 
I Hate Philadelphia said:
Weird how the Coyotes almost immediately got better when Chychrun left and then the Sens got even worse.

Makes u think.
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This one could be the subject of a good discussion. For the last few years the Coyotes were trading for futures including several instances of trading for bad contracts + futures. It wasn't hard to predict that things would be less bad as those bad contracts expired no matter how badly the franchise continued to be run, so there is no easy way to discern whether Chychrun leaving was addition by subtraction or would have happened anyway.
 
How is that team still this big of a shitshow?

DeBrincat i can understand since i got the impression he never really wanted to be in Ottawa to begin with. But Chychrun seemed nothing but happy to get moved to a place where he spent a pretty good amount of time as he grew up.

Now he's like nah see ya.

Can't say i blame him either. Dude's been in the league 8 seasons and hasn't come remotely close to anything resembling winning hockey (no, the token bubble playoff appearance doesn't count)
 
Shocker said:
I know recency bias and all, but ain't no way Dorion, Benning or Chiarelli top Milbury in the worst GM race.
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Who are most the shit tier GMs of all time?

Mike Milbury is top dog but Benning and Dorion were complete disasters.

Dorion lost a 1st rounder because he botched a trade (probably straight up lied to Vegas when giving them Dadonov). What the ever living f*** kind of clown show did he run?
 
tyhee said:
This one could be the subject of a good discussion. For the last few years the Coyotes were trading for futures including several instances of trading for bad contracts + futures. It wasn't hard to predict that things would be less bad as those bad contracts expired no matter how badly the franchise continued to be run, so there is no easy way to discern whether Chychrun leaving was addition by subtraction or would have happened anyway.
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The Coyotes are having some element of success because they are scoring at a 3+ gf for the first time in decades and they are getting good goaltending. The forward group and goalie position has improved. Defense outside of Durzi and Moser is patchwork and if we still had Chychrun, I am confident our point % would be higher.
 
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Wondercarrot said:
Ottawa needs:

Good RD
Legit 3rd line type guys who pot 15+, play hard AF and smart
High draft pick

Ottawa does not need:

Any type of LD
Centres
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You can pretty much Erase "Ottawa" and put in "Every NHL team", certainly for the needs, and to a large extent the does not needs.

In any case though Chycrun is not getting you those type of returns (depending on what you mean by high, for me that a top 5).
 
Bit off topic but I always thought building around Brady Tkachuk was dumb. He also comes off as too immature to be a Captain as well.

If I had to peg Ottawas issues on one thing it would be leadership. Both on the ice and off with the Coach.
 
rt said:
Everyone who thought Ottawa would be a playoff team did. And then later those who couldn’t discern the vast difference in trade value between pick 12 and pick 27, maintained that opinion. Ottawa actually improved their position by one slot. Moving from 13th to 12th between the time of the trade and failing to make the playoffs. Arizona ended up getting very good value. They gambled and won.
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I disagree with this. They didn't get a single player back.

A player of his reputation and caliber should not have only received picks back in a trade. People overrate the hell out of them and I suspect Armstrong would have crafted this trade in another way if he was able to take money back in a trade.

It was a good deal for Ottawa, their team just sucks. I'd trade that value for that caliber of player any day. That Ottawa kept sucking after the trade doesn't change that. I love to dunk on them more than anyone but the trade at the time was a good one.
 
FlameChampion said:
Has he played RD at all for Ottawa?
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If you called it "played". They certainly have put him there rather than give him 15 minutes third pairing duty, but he has not looked that comfortable. I suspect thats a big reason why he wants out. Inability to showcase himself coming into what should be his big contract. That is also a reason why Debrincat wanted out.

And of course the team seems to be going no where and is a crap show.
 
TheNumber4 said:
Bit off topic but I always thought building around Brady Tkachuk was dumb. He also comes off as too immature to be a Captain as well.

If I had to peg Ottawas issues on one thing it would be leadership. Both on the ice and off with the Coach.
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Brady Tkachuk is the least of their issues. I'm sure he's counting down the days but he's signed until 2028, Ottawa should probably trade him and kick off the rebuild of the rebuild before his NMC kicks in.
 
Shocker said:
I know recency bias and all, but ain't no way Dorion, Benning or Chiarelli top Milbury in the worst GM race.
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Chiarelli, while he didn't build the guts of the Bruins that won the cup in 2011 (Jeff Gorton largely gets credit for that) did make a couple pretty savvy moves thar definitely helped them get there. Namely the trades for Siedenberg and getting Nathan Horton/Greg Campbell for a pylon and a bag of pucks, and Daniel Paille for a third.

His biggest flaw was falling into the traps a lot of post-cup win GMs fall into; loyalty contracts. Oh and also trading Tyler Seguin for magic beans.

Edmonton was largely a disaster so i would put Chiarelli in the below average category for GMs.

Benning on the other hand i'd put closer to Millbury. Did he ever make one actually good/smart move? Only thing he did right was drafting Pettersson and even then most would say that was a layup.

Dorion honestly did more good than bad. Sens fans are overblowing his incompetence.
 
AlexBrovechkin8 said:
This dude is going to spend his whole career thinking the grass is greener somewhere else and by the time he's smart enough to realize it's not it'll be too late. Sad.
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To be fair, that grass has been Arizona and Ottawa... Literally 2 of the worst run franchises in the past decade
 
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