Value of: Christopher Tanev to Toronto

[snipes]

remember when Vancouver had 2 of the top 5 goalies in the league?
Edler top 20, Horvat a #1C already, Virtanen>Nylander, Boeser the best player not in the NHL, Tanev a franchise dman that has yet to top 20 pts. lawl

That's not being very genuine to what has been said. I ****ing hate the Canucks but see them lots being in the West.

Tanev is a #2D man. He's a defensive defenceman who is responsible in his own zone, solid on the breakout, and he's got excellent gap control. This might not seem "sexy", but having a #2 with Tanev's skillset complimenting a #1 helps a team win more than a flashy winger who floats to the outside.

Tanev is a poor mans Vlasic. I bet VAN would decline Nylander straight up for Tanev. Tanev brings more value and does more to help a team win.

 

[JarvisFunk]

When they were on the same team (IIHF) Rielly was better.

No Tanev trade would happen. As Tanev simply does not have the value of Nylander, Marner, or Rielly. And I don't expect that Vancouver would want a package.

Nugent-Hopkins outplayed McDavid on team North America, a small smaple size doesn't mean anything.

 

[turkulad]

I wouldn't move Tanev for anything short of a huge overpayment. He's 26, on a very good contract, extremely reliable and poised, and makes everyone he plays with better.

Let's just sticky this into every Tanev proposal. We don't need to trade him, we shouldn't trade him, he's our anchor D so we can't trade him. The only fathomable realistic trade for him would be a trade where the other team would send us such a haul, the balance would be so off that the idea would be laughed off this board. Yet that's what it would take.

He's not leaving.
Also, to have the ba**s to suggest we'd trade him for KADRI.. not enough nope.

 

[Aintboutdatlyfe*]

Nugent-Hopkins outplayed McDavid on team North America, a small smaple size doesn't mean anything.

No RNH didn't lol. Rielly is also more talented than Tanev so him being better on the same team is to be expected.

 

[JetsFan815]

When they were on the same team (IIHF) Rielly was better.

No Tanev trade would happen. As Tanev simply does not have the value of Nylander, Marner, or Rielly. And I don't expect that Vancouver would want a package.

Tanev is as if not more valuable than Nylander

 

[snipes]

Tanev paired with Rielly on the Leafs top pairing makes them a better right now. The loss of Nylander is more than offset by what Tanev would bring to the top pairing, the benefits outweigh the loss.

Tanev is the kind of #2 defensive defenceman that would allow Rielly to become a bona fide #1. He would cover defensive assignments and allow Rielly to take offensive chances.

Anyways, Leafs don't do the deal and VAN would decline as well, but I think Tanev would make the Leafs better right now.

 

[Aintboutdatlyfe*]

Tanev is as if not more valuable than Nylander

Absolutely false. Nylander is tracking to be a ppg forward in the NHL or close to it, and a Center at that. You only trade that for a #1 Dman or someone who can become that, which is not Tanev.


Tanev being more of a sure thing does not outweigh Nylander's superior upside, and youth, in this era of the NHL. Where truly elite young talent (Especially on ELC) is the most valued type of asset in the entire league. Even moreso than a proven #2 Dman. If Tanev had #1 upside it'd be different, but he is what he is at this point. A great shutdown #2D.

Talking about this trade is dumb. Leafs have 4 insanely valuable pieces in their organization, Tanev doesn't hold any of their value. Past those 4, Leafs do not have anyone who currently has Tanev's value. There is no deal to be made.

 

[snipes]

Absolutely false. Nylander is tracking to be a ppg forward in the NHL or close to it, and a Center at that. You only trade that for a #1 Dman or someone who can become that, which is not Tanev.


Tanev being more of a sure thing does not outweigh Nylander's superior upside, and youth, in this era of the NHL. Where truly elite young talent (Especially on ELC) is the most valued type of asset in the entire league. Even moreso than a proven #2 Dman. If Tanev had #1 upside it'd be different, but he is what he is at this point. A great shutdown #2D.

Talking about this trade is dumb. Leafs have 4 insanely valuable pieces in their organization, Tanev doesn't hold any of their value. Past those 4, Leafs do not have anyone who currently has Tanev's value. There is no deal to be made.

Except Nylander doesn't get you anywhere close to a #1. I'm sure you can be reasonable and see that Nylander is not pulling a Josi, Hedman, Pietro, Suter, etc.

 

[JetsFan815]

Absolutely false. Nylander is tracking to be a ppg forward in the NHL or close to it, and a Center at that. You only trade that for a #1 Dman or someone who can become that, which is not Tanev.

You should put "Center" in quotes when referring to Nylander.

 

[biturbo19]

Tanev for Kadri.

You just can't make this stuff up. Or i guess, apparently you can? That's insanely bad for Vancouver.



Really, i'm not sure there's anything Toronto would actually give up that would even get the conversation started on Tanev. There's no reason to move Tanev just for the sake of moving him, or for quantity. It'd have to be serious quality, which means like...Marner. Which the Leafs would immediately say, shut it down.

But Kadri. Jeeez that's bad.

 

[Cogburn]

Nah, Tanev to Toronto won't happen.

Nylander, Matthews or Marner are the names we as Canucks fans would want, and that's a quick way to derail a thread. Toronto fans won't give up what Canucks fans will want, as outside of the three listed (and Rielly) no one holds the value we would need, and the market has shown is plausible (not the big four but more then Kadri) and Canucks fans won't accept less.

Cool, I can see some posts on my wave length, what other assets are tradible then? In non-Tanev parts, what's Kadri worth?

 

[clunk]

Tanev for Kadri.

You just can't make this stuff up. Or i guess, apparently you can? That's insanely bad for Vancouver.



Really, i'm not sure there's anything Toronto would actually give up that would even get the conversation started on Tanev. There's no reason to move Tanev just for the sake of moving him, or for quantity. It'd have to be serious quality, which means like...Marner. Which the Leafs would immediately say, shut it down.

But Kadri. Jeeez that's bad.

I've said that the Leafs have to add...

Point is, Tanev's being wasted here and I don't want him to spend his whole career on a loser. At least the Leafs are on the upswing and he'll be able to compete when he's like 28-29... Canucks have no future and I'd rather be watching a fun player like Kadri while we pick top 5 for a few years than seeing Tanev's elite defensive game go to waste because our forwards can't provide goal support.

 

[biturbo19]

I've said that the Leafs have to add...

Point is, Tanev's being wasted here and I don't want him to spend his whole career on a loser. At least the Leafs are on the upswing and he'll be able to compete when he's like 28-29... Canucks have no future and I'd rather be watching a fun player like Kadri while we pick top 5 for a few years than seeing Tanev's elite defensive game go to waste because our forwards can't provide goal support.

So the Canucks should get rid of a high quality player for a much lower quality player and a throw-in/add-on, because...you somehow prefer watching Kadri to watching Tanev play? And you think Kadri's talents are better suited to not being "wasted" on a bad team? I mean, trading Tanev for Kadri+ seems like a great way to make sure the Canucks are a bad team. But that's hardly a selling point...

 

[clunk]

So the Canucks should get rid of a high quality player for a much lower quality player and a throw-in/add-on, because...you somehow prefer watching Kadri to watching Tanev play? And you think Kadri's talents are better suited to not being "wasted" on a bad team? I mean, trading Tanev for Kadri+ seems like a great way to make sure the Canucks are a bad team. But that's hardly a selling point...

Point is, with or without Tanev, the Canucks will be a bad team for the forseeable future. We have nothing to look forward to offensively other than Boeser who's not going to be able to carry the team by himself. At least with Kadri, you're getting a 2c/low end 1c who could develop into a full time everyday 1C. He's the same age as Tanev. I think Kadri would thrive being sheltered a bit and not given high defensive responsibilities/ability to play behind the Sedins while they're still here.

 

[Halla]

Nah, Tanev to Toronto won't happen.

Nylander, Matthews or Marner are the names we as Canucks fans would want, and that's a quick way to derail a thread. Toronto fans won't give up what Canucks fans will want, as outside of the three listed (and Rielly) no one holds the value we would need, and the market has shown is plausible (not the big four but more then Kadri) and Canucks fans won't accept less.

Cool, I can see some posts on my wave length, what other assets are tradible then? In non-Tanev parts, what's Kadri worth?

I dont see the leafs doing it for anyone else.
Horvat maybe but thats a lateral at best. Edler doesnt get the conversation started. leafs would ask for juolevi and just like the leafs trio, nucks wouldnt do it

 

[loyaltotheend]

Pretty simple. Kadri doesn't get it done from VAN side, sounds like they are not open to a small add.
If it takes Nylander/Marner or more (someone said "+") then it's not happening. No chance.
End of story

 

[biturbo19]

Point is, with or without Tanev, the Canucks will be a bad team for the forseeable future. We have nothing to look forward to offensively other than Boeser who's not going to be able to carry the team by himself. At least with Kadri, you're getting a 2c/low end 1c who could develop into a full time everyday 1C. He's the same age as Tanev. I think Kadri would thrive being sheltered a bit and not given high defensive responsibilities/ability to play behind the Sedins while they're still here.

I mean, you clearly realize that he's nearly the same age as Tanev...When forwards tend to peak earlier than defencemen, especially when we're talking about a relative "late bloomer" with a cerebral style like Tanev's that reeks of potential longevity. So what exactly makes Kadri so much better a fit for the future again?

What makes you think Kadri has some sort of hidden #1C potential that he's yet to remotely uncover at age 26? He's had more than ample opportunity through the Leafs bad years to seize a #1C job...and he's just not that player.


The Canucks lacking some exciting pieces like a future #1C right now, is absolutely no reason to go fully off the rails trading a top-pairing rock of a defenceman like Tanev for a roughly same-aged #2C who produced like a decent but very middle of the road 2nd line Center, with huge minutes and opportunity. It makes no sense.

If the Canucks need high-end offensive talent for the future (and they obviously do)...that's the kind of piece you either get somebody to do something bonkers (like trading you a Marner calibre piece), or you just draft them yourself in the coming years - where you're absolutely convinced the Canucks are apparently going to be terrible, which comes with premium draft picks. Which you can then use on Forwards in the draft, who tend to jump into the league relatively quickly these days...and may offer legitimate 1st line upside. As opposed to dealing a terrific asset on a fantastic value contract...for a same aged offensive-oriented #2C. To say nothing of the gaping hole that moving Tanev would create on the RHD of the Canucks for the next half dozen years. Which leaves you chasing your own tail trying to draft and develop another top pairing RHD.

 

[mikeyp24]

I dont see the leafs doing it for anyone else.
Horvat maybe but thats a lateral at best. Edler doesnt get the conversation started. leafs would ask for juolevi and just like the leafs trio, nucks wouldnt do it

I hope this isn't saying Kadri is worth Horvat/juolevi? Because that is crazy. He is a low 2C high 3C on meh contract. They have Suter who is on part basically.

Basically both teams are in a period where they need to rebuild even though 1 seems to not be accepting it as much in the Nucks. They are getting old quick. They need pieces you won't give up and it's understandable.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Tanev is not available Leafs fans but a guy name Trouba is offer away to the Jets.

 

[scan15*]

Kadri + a protected 1st round pick + Dermott/Neilsen

 

[mikeyp24]

I'm not a Van fan at least not anymore they were my 2nd team when I lived there a few monthes a year with my ex but I left when Kesler did haha but I honestly don't see a scenario where they want Kadri. Tanev would take more then that package though. I'm sure it would take a pick to likely be in top 10 and a better then B prospect that Dermott or Neilson is.

 

[ACC1224]

Tanev is not available Leafs fans but a guy name Trouba is offer away to the Jets.

Leafs aren't asking for Tanev, Canucks were asking for Kadri.

 

[Aintboutdatlyfe*]

Except Nylander doesn't get you anywhere close to a #1. I'm sure you can be reasonable and see that Nylander is not pulling a Josi, Hedman, Pietro, Suter, etc.

Nylander could get Suter, or at the very least, Toronto would be idiotic to trade Nylander for Suter. Nylander could however fetch a young dman who is a near lock to become a #1. Without bringing another team's player to throw people up in arms about it. Nylander could fetch a Morgan Rielly caliber Dman (given appropriate conditions for that trade, eg Toronto is thin on the Blueline right now so they Rielly will never be traded), who is someone the Leafs view as a near lock to be a number 1 Dman. And at 21 years old is at the very least around the same Calibre as Tanev right now, with much more room to grow

 

[CanadienShark]

Zaitsev is better than Tanev.

Thanks, though.

No he's not.

 

[Paradise*]

Nylander could get Suter, or at the very least, Toronto would be idiotic to trade Nylander for Suter. Nylander could however fetch a young dman who is a near lock to become a #1. Without bringing another team's player to throw people up in arms about it. Nylander could fetch a Morgan Rielly caliber Dman (given appropriate conditions for that trade, eg Toronto is thin on the Blueline right now so they Rielly will never be traded), who is someone the Leafs view as a near lock to be a number 1 Dman. And at 21 years old is at the very least around the same Calibre as Tanev right now, with much more room to grow

I always love when players never age. Your saviour is 22 not 21.

Nylander isn't close to value for a #1 D.