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[Ducks DVM]

That must be a joke being 1-7 in game 7's is horrible.



In the game 7's AS A TEAM had problems. Coaching was part of the problem. I have never said it is all on the coach everyone is to blame. When a coach has such a terrible game 7 record he should be getting more of the blame then what some Ducks fans are saying.

When a coach is able to consistently get his team TO a game 7, he should be getting far more credit than many are giving him. Losing in 4, 5, or 6 games consistently doesn't make you a better coach than someone who is able to get his team to a Game 7 in almost every one of their losing series. Go look at the eliminations of the first decade of what Sutter, Quenneville, and friends managed with their teams. They weren't giving their teams a chance to win game sevens.

The Game 7 that got him fired wasn't a coaching problem at all. It was a hot goalie and two puck luck goal problem. It was a Perry giving a half-assed effort until he finally got to play with Getzlaf again problem. It was a (as noted by the GM) where the hell was the team playing intelligently within the system and not acting like spoiled children with the referees in the first two games problem. None of that is on coaching, unless you're really going to argue that BB told them "hey guys, I want to be fired and move to Minnesota. Could you PLEASE do the EXACT ****ING OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TO DO THE ENTIRE YEAR??????? Cool, thanks guys. That'll make my wife happy."

 

[Lord Flashheart]

I think there is a special kind of preparation though for the playoffs in general and BB fell flat on that count. Going down 0-2 shows that he certainly didn't do anything to effect a positive outcome or come up with a strategy to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses. And as the series wore on his weakness as a coach that is not capable of making changes on the fly was exposed. Repeatedly.

So your theory is that they overcame going down 0-2 twice in spite of the coach? What prevented them then to go all the way? And that could also suggest special preparation isn't necessary.

 

[snarktacular]

Hockey games aren't coin flips.

That must be a joke being 1-7 in game 7's is horrible.

You're not understanding me. All I'm saying is the 1-7 stat is not a good argument. A coin flip is the theoretical definition of an "average" or "replacement" coach. Boudreau's game 7 record is only just barely statistically significant from the predicted 4-4 (5% likelihood to explain by pure chance is the usual definition, he is at 3.1%). That means he could still be a completely average coach at game 7s and still get that record. It's because the sample size is too low.

You know what I could have done with the same numbers, but make him look good? 7 out of 8 of his playoff losses required 7 games.

This is a different argument than whether Boudreau was at fault or not for the playoffs as a whole. I think both he and Murray should have been fired the previous year. There are plenty of other stats which do show he has a demonstrably poor record. Such as all the come from ahead series losses.

But more of the blame goes on the players. Did you know that of his 4 7-game series in Washington, 3 of them he won game 6 to force the game 7 in the first place? It's only in Anaheim where there were so many come from ahead losses.

And I would say that this particular game 7 was the one where the least blame goes on him of all the Anaheim collapses. The team actually showed up this time.


If you theorize, like Eddie has, that the owners only want to make the playoffs, then actually Boudreau could be considered a good coach. He gets them in the playoffs, and he does get some home games for revenue.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

You're not understanding me. All I'm saying is the 1-7 stat is not a good argument. A coin flip is the theoretical definition of an "average" or "replacement" coach. Boudreau's game 7 record is only just barely statistically significant from the predicted 4-4 (5% likelihood to explain by pure chance is the usual definition, he is at 3.1%). That means he could still be a completely average coach at game 7s and still get that record. It's because the sample size is too low.

You know what I could have done with the same numbers, but make him look good? 7 out of 8 of his playoff losses required 7 games.

This is a different argument than whether Boudreau was at fault or not for the playoffs as a whole. I think both he and Murray should have been fired the previous year. There are plenty of other stats which do show he has a demonstrably poor record. Such as all the come from ahead series losses.

But more of the blame goes on the players. Did you know that of his 4 7-game series in Washington, 3 of them he won game 6 to force the game 7 in the first place? It's only in Anaheim where there were so many come from ahead losses.

And I would say that this particular game 7 was the one where the least blame goes on him of all the Anaheim collapses. The team actually showed up this time.


If you theorize, like Eddie has, that the owners only want to make the playoffs, then actually Boudreau could be considered a good coach. He gets them in the playoffs, and he does get some home games for revenue.

I get your point just fine, snark. But unless you really think the criticism of Boudreau's record is purely due to some abstract "improbability = terrible" argument, it's you who's missing the point. A win-loss record of hockey games incorporates all the things that go into winning and losing games, and playoff series. You can't take context out of observation and you can't take it out of argument either, not validly at any rate. You're making an obtuse counterargument to a point no one made. Your argument about how great he is at getting series to seven games serves your straw man, but it doesn't disprove the premise.

Also, the first bolded is pretty clearly at odds with the second two.

We agree that Boudreau should have been axed last offseason. I've said as much, more than once. He's not the guy to get a championship, but this crop of candidates isn't clearly any better. Most of them seem worse.

 

[gilfaizon]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago
Hearing TB associate coach Rick Bowness went deep into the mix for ANA job. Interesting. That's a name that wasn't out there.

 

[dracom]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago
Hearing TB associate coach Rick Bowness went deep into the mix for ANA job. Interesting. That's a name that wasn't out there.

I'd bet there are a lot of names being interviewed for that job that no one knows about.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago
Hearing TB associate coach Rick Bowness went deep into the mix for ANA job. Interesting. That's a name that wasn't out there.

If that's a direct quote then it's past tense meaning Bowness is out. Is he out because a final decision has been made or is he out because they told him directly? Hmm...

 

[Paul4587]

It almost sounds like they've made a decision. Or maybe I'm reading into it wrong.

I'm hoping for Green. Actually I was hoping for Hunter but he's clearly not leaving. MacLean I wouldn't mind. Yeo I don't want anything to do with. Carlyle won't work again either.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

It almost sounds like they've made a decision. Or maybe I'm reading into it wrong.

I'm hoping for Green. Actually I was hoping for Hunter but he's clearly not leaving. MacLean I wouldn't mind. Yeo I don't want anything to do with. Carlyle won't work again either.

I concur with everything.

 

[Terry Yake]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m1 minute ago
Hearing TB associate coach Rick Bowness went deep into the mix for ANA job. Interesting. That's a name that wasn't out there.

rick bowness?


yeah, fire BB for a guy with a 123-289 overall HC record and who hasn't been a HC in the NHL since 2003. god this is becoming a disaster.

green is the only candidate with any upside. just hire him or maclean and end this

 

[SirQuacksALot]

We need to hire a coach before people in here strangle each other.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

rick bowness?


yeah, fire BB for a guy with a 123-289 overall HC record and who hasn't been a HC in the NHL since 2003. god this is becoming a disaster.

green is the only candidate with any upside. just hire him or maclean and end this

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

rick bowness?


yeah, fire BB for a guy with a 123-289 overall HC record and who hasn't been a HC in the NHL since 2003. god this is becoming a disaster.

green is the only candidate with any upside. just hire him or maclean and end this

Speaking of stats where context is helpful . . .

 

[Opak]

Friedman's speculations:

10. Dale Hunter declined the opportunity to interview with the Anaheim Ducks, but do not underestimate his chances for that job if he had. When these coaching searches end, I surmise we’re going to find out the interview pool was deeper than we realized. My suspicion is the finalists in Anaheim and Calgary include some unfamiliar names. For the Ducks, my guess is that list includes Randy Carlyle, Travis Green and Rick Bowness. Word is they are getting close to a decision. For the Flames, it includes Glen Gulutzan and Mike Yeo.

 

[Tecumseh]

They really should just make a damn decision already. A better candidate is not going to fall out of the ****ing sky. I say hire Travis Green and call it a day if those three in the post above really are the finalists for this job

 

[pesko]

I have a feeling the decision is going to be made in the next few days and it's going to be Green. He's not an ideal option, but frankly there are no ideal options available right now. It's always a risk to hire a coach with no NHL experience no matter how good his track record is, he could turn out to be either the next (first season) Dan Bylsma or the next Dallas Eakins. There's still more upside than there is with Carlyle or Bowness .

 

[Dirk316]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

 

[Terry Yake]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

i doubt there are many coaches who wouldn't have won a cup with that 06-07 roster

 

[OCSportsfan]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

Would be really disappointed if this was the end result.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

All coaches have the upside of winning a Cup.

It's not like they come with a label that says "can't win Cup. Hire at own risk"

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

i doubt there are many coaches who wouldn't have won a cup with that 06-07 roster

That team could possibly be the strongest put together in the 30 team era, certainly right in the conversation. It would have taken some bad coaching to get in the way of that roster, which was really without a weakness top to bottom. If they had an area of potential downfall, it would have been discipline, and a lot of that would have went back on the coach.

I don't mean to completely discount Carlyle's contribution, but it wasn't like coaching was very high on the list of the Cup team's strengths, they were better than every team they ran into.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

All coaches have the upside of winning a Cup.

It's not like they come with a label that says "can't win Cup. Hire at own risk"

I thought we made BB wear that placard when we fired him and told him to leave town. No?

 

[snarktacular]

Carlyle will be the coach thankfully and he has the most upside (actually being able to win a cup)

So explain his record in Toronto, with Burke giving him toughness no less.

 

[HanSolo]

So explain his record in Toronto, with Burke giving him toughness no less.

This oughta be good.

 

[Dirk316]

So explain his record in Toronto, with Burke giving him toughness no less.

He had a winning record with that joke of a roster with limited skill and his last season Brendan Shanahan removed all toughness go look at the roster.