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I don't think Stephens would be so openly focusing his article on Green, including interviewing people about him, if he hadn't been given a nod from the front office that he's being seriously considered.
 
Eddie Shack said:
Any player who needs a coach to "prepare" him for game 7 is a loser who will never be prepared. I don't care how bad your coach is, it's game ****ing 7. You go out and bust your ass for 60 minutes regardless of the matchups and show people why you are an elite talent. Or, you don't, and you blame the coach for not preparing you.
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BB has coached 8 total game 7's with a record of 1-7 and in all 8 games his team gave up a goal or more in the 1st period allowing a total of 12 goals in those 8 games.
Why does his teams have a terrible game 7 coaching record?
Why did his teams always allow 1st period goals?
Why did his teams give up 12 total goals in the 1st period in 8 game 7's?

It is possible he doesn't properly prepare his teams for a game 7 making sure they have enough practice or who knows what else. Something about him coaching game 7's is not right. A coach can't have such a bad game 7 coaching record allowing so many total 1st period goals and not once being able to go a single 1st period without allowing any goals unless something is wrong with the way he does things.

Part of a coaches job is to make sure his team is ready to play. It doesn't matter if it is game 1 of regular season or a game in the middle of the regular season or a game late in the regular season or any playoff games even a game 7 a coach is accountable for his team and that includes making sure his team is properly prepared for the game. Trying to ignore that and say it is all on the players to be ready for games is not how things are no matter how you want them or wish they are. Sometimes players need a push to work harder or to get more practice ect...

Eddie Shack said:
That certainly makes him a leading candidate in my book.
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So if Green needs to caddle prod someone he does it and that would make Green a leading candidate in your book hmm...
 
1-7 isn't really that bad. Certainly bad, but not improbably bad. Assuming a coach had no effect on the winning team, and assuming that the entire league had 8 games of g7, you would expect about 1 to be in the league at any time.

Someone (DVM?) had posted Getzlaf and Perry's scoring in their game 6s and 7s, and I think that those records actually seem worse.
 
snarktacular said:
1-7 isn't really that bad. Certainly bad, but not improbably bad. Assuming a coach had no effect on the winning team, and assuming that the entire league had 8 games of g7, you would expect about 1 to be in the league at any time.

Someone (DVM?) had posted Getzlaf and Perry's scoring in their game 6s and 7s, and I think that those records actually seem worse.
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There's your problem.
 
Yes, it was DVM who compiled those numbers I believe.

http://hkref.com/tiny/9kTkf
http://hkref.com/tiny/r2fNw

Coaching definitely has an effect, but I am not inclined to believe there is a special kind of preparation needed for game 7. You either have it or don't. If anything (coming from a logic of the importance of preperation from coach), getting back (twice in the span of 4 playoff seasons) from being down 0-2 to being ahead 3-2 would suggest preparation was sufficient, sadly however players didn't have what it takes to make the final jump.
 
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Lord Flashheart said:
Yes, it was DVM who compiled those numbers I believe.

http://hkref.com/tiny/9kTkf
http://hkref.com/tiny/r2fNw

Coaching definitely has an effect, but I am not inclined to believe there is a special kind of preparation needed for game 7. You either have it or don't. If anything (coming from a logic of the importance of preperation from coache), getting back (twice in the span of 4 playoff seasons) from being down 0-2 to being ahead 3-2 would suggest preparation was sufficient, sadly however players didn't have what it takes to make the final jump.
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If we can include "belief in the coach's system" with "what it takes," then I'm on board.
 
Ducks in a row said:
BB has coached 8 total game 7's with a record of 1-7 and in all 8 games his team gave up a goal or more in the 1st period allowing a total of 12 goals in those 8 games.
Why does his teams have a terrible game 7 coaching record?
Why did his teams always allow 1st period goals?
Why did his teams give up 12 total goals in the 1st period in 8 game 7's?

It is possible he doesn't properly prepare his teams for a game 7 making sure they have enough practice or who knows what else. Something about him coaching game 7's is not right. A coach can't have such a bad game 7 coaching record allowing so many total 1st period goals and not once being able to go a single 1st period without allowing any goals unless something is wrong with the way he does things.

Part of a coaches job is to make sure his team is ready to play. It doesn't matter if it is game 1 of regular season or a game in the middle of the regular season or a game late in the regular season or any playoff games even a game 7 a coach is accountable for his team and that includes making sure his team is properly prepared for the game. Trying to ignore that and say it is all on the players to be ready for games is not how things are no matter how you want them or wish they are. Sometimes players need a push to work harder or to get more practice ect...



So if Green needs to caddle prod someone he does it and that would make Green a leading candidate in your book hmm...
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Nobody ever said the coach doesn't have some responsibility. You're one of the few who stops there and pretends it isn't incumbent on the players to show what they have and maybe overcome the coach's flaws. Especially elite players. You cannot pass off having your best players look very ordinary in every big game, on the coach. And it isn't just game 7 either, it's 6 and 7. Eight big games where the elite were no shows. Pretending that's all on the coach is rather short sighted.
 
Bodacious Wits said:
There's your problem.
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I'm certainly not making that assumption, that was a hypothetical to show that his record isn't statistically improbable.

You can get 1 heads out of 8 coin flips over 3% of the time. Meaning he could be a perfectly average coach and still get that result.

So that stat doesn't really have the power to say he's bad.
 
snarktacular said:
I'm certainly not making that assumption, that was a hypothetical to show that his record isn't statistically improbable.

You can get 1 heads out of 8 coin flips over 3% of the time. Meaning he could be a perfectly average coach and still get that result.

So that stat doesn't really have the power to say he's bad.
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Hockey games aren't coin flips.
 
2faded said:
Does anyone follow Getzlaf or his wife on Instagram? Are they posting vacation photos yet?
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I know they were still in town. My co-worker's daughter is in his sons preschool class and they were having a party yesterday. She asked me if I wanted a autograph but I politely declined. :laugh:
 
Eddie Shack said:
Nobody ever said the coach doesn't have some responsibility. You're one of the few who stops there and pretends it isn't incumbent on the players to show what they have and maybe overcome the coach's flaws. Especially elite players. You cannot pass off having your best players look very ordinary in every big game, on the coach. And it isn't just game 7 either, it's 6 and 7. Eight big games where the elite were no shows. Pretending that's all on the coach is rather short sighted.
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This is the thing. It's multi-factorial. The coach didn't make great adjustments. The GM didn't provide appropriate/sufficient complementary pieces. The top players routinely don't show up.

And to say that the coach is the problem and MUST go ignores the fact that just because he isn't that great, it doesn't mean that all the replacement options aren't actually WORSE. Change is just change. It doesn't guarantee better. This firing was probably a year too late or a year too early.
 
Lord Flashheart said:
Yes, it was DVM who compiled those numbers I believe.

http://hkref.com/tiny/9kTkf
http://hkref.com/tiny/r2fNw

Coaching definitely has an effect, but I am not inclined to believe there is a special kind of preparation needed for game 7. You either have it or don't. If anything (coming from a logic of the importance of preperation from coach), getting back (twice in the span of 4 playoff seasons) from being down 0-2 to being ahead 3-2 would suggest preparation was sufficient, sadly however players didn't have what it takes to make the final jump.
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I think there is a special kind of preparation though for the playoffs in general and BB fell flat on that count. Going down 0-2 shows that he certainly didn't do anything to effect a positive outcome or come up with a strategy to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses. And as the series wore on his weakness as a coach that is not capable of making changes on the fly was exposed. Repeatedly.
 
I would be satisfied with Travis Green, nothing but good things from anyone that has worked with him or for him.
 
I agree with most of the sentiment. Green is probably best available right now, although to be honest at this point I'll just be happy if it's not Carlyle.
 
snarktacular said:
1-7 isn't really that bad. Certainly bad, but not improbably bad. Assuming a coach had no effect on the winning team, and assuming that the entire league had 8 games of g7, you would expect about 1 to be in the league at any time.

Someone (DVM?) had posted Getzlaf and Perry's scoring in their game 6s and 7s, and I think that those records actually seem worse.
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That must be a joke being 1-7 in game 7's is horrible.

Eddie Shack said:
Nobody ever said the coach doesn't have some responsibility. You're one of the few who stops there and pretends it isn't incumbent on the players to show what they have and maybe overcome the coach's flaws. Especially elite players. You cannot pass off having your best players look very ordinary in every big game, on the coach. And it isn't just game 7 either, it's 6 and 7. Eight big games where the elite were no shows. Pretending that's all on the coach is rather short sighted.
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In the game 7's AS A TEAM had problems. Coaching was part of the problem. I have never said it is all on the coach everyone is to blame. When a coach has such a terrible game 7 record he should be getting more of the blame then what some Ducks fans are saying.
 
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