Choose the next HC

[Duck Off]

I enjoy both along with scrums face washes etc

I just don't get the Stewart love, at all, honestly. I think he's useless. He has some skill, but he is not physical whatsoever. His occasional fight doesn't change the fact that he's useless. I'd much rather have someone like Garbutt or Wagner in the lineup.

I keep telling you, your beef is with the wrong person. Murray made the team soft, not Boudreau.

Majors (on the assumption it's mostly fights and few are other infractions)

Year | Coach | Majors
2009 | Carlyle | 82
2010 | Carlyle | 79
2011 | Carlyle | 68
2012 (prorated) | Carlyle | 49.91304348
2012 (prorated) | Boudreau | 44.47457627
2013 (prorated) | Boudreau | 42.70833333
2014 | Boudreau | 40
2015 | Boudreau | 37
2016 | Boudreau | 43

Notice that in 2012 there wasn't that much of a change from Carlyle's 23 games to Boudreau's 59 games.


What makes you think that Murray will get an enforcer? When's the last time we even had one?

This.

Also worth mentioning that the league is very different than it was 10 years ago. I'm still in favor of dressing a "tougher" player, as long as they were pretty good at hockey. This is one of the reasons I didn't want to trade Maroon. However, dressing an enforcer is now pointless, unless they can actually play hockey as well. The days of dressing someone like Parros (original Parros, not the soft ass Parros we had the last year or two he was with us) are over.

 

[mytduxfan*]

MacLean is the best option I can think of at this point. I really liked the way he had the Sens playing in his rookie year as a head coach, they were hungry, tough and came at you in waves. Maybe he's someone who wears out his welcome over a couple years, but that's fine if he helps us win first.

Is PM tough enough? (I have no idea - he doesn't come across that way).

In that regards, someone like Dan Bylsma would have been great here IMO. A hard line coach that takes no ********, but doesn't go full Torts on your ass. I wonder how PM runs his ship (again, no idea).

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Just trade for Torts for comedy if we are going to sign RC.

 

[Terry Yake]

yeah, replace BB with the guy who lost his team 5 years ago and who the two stars absolutely hated

great effing job murray. this is all becoming a joke. not just firing BB but this whole "coaching search"

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Is PM tough enough? (I have no idea - he doesn't come across that way).

In that regards, someone like Dan Bylsma would have been great here IMO. A hard line coach that takes no ********, but doesn't go full Torts on your ass. I wonder how PM runs his ship (again, no idea).

It's tough to say without being in the room, but he comes across as gruff and fairly intense, I picture him being more of a motivator than a player's coach.

He certainly played tough -

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I wonder if Stumpy (Steve Thomas) will get an interview. Not returning as an assistant with Tampa Bay.

 

[snarktacular]

Mentioned this before, but we led the league in majors this year.

I do remember you mentioning that. I'm not sure what to make of it.

One interpretation is "Boudreau isn't that soft, we're still the biggest fighting team." Similar with Murray. But they have gone down, so then maybe it's just the state of the league?

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I do remember you mentioning that. I'm not sure what to make of it.

One interpretation is "Boudreau isn't that soft, we're still the biggest fighting team." Similar with Murray. But they have gone down, so then maybe it's just the state of the league?

I'm not either. The Ducks were not a hard or particularly fight-disposed team. And the league-leading total was just over half of what it was in 09. I think the whole league is just sinking towards (or has sunk to) a baseline level of fighting and what we see is just random fluctuation.

 

[Ducks in a row]

yeah, replace BB with the guy who lost his team 5 years ago and who the two stars absolutely hated

great effing job murray. this is all becoming a joke. not just firing BB but this whole "coaching search"

Firing BB had to be done you can't keep a coach with his playoff history especially the history with our team having coached us to 4 years in a row blowing a 3-2 series lead. If we kept him that would of been a joke especially if we have a 5th year in a row blowing a 3-2 series lead and then what should we do then? Continue to call him a good coach and keep him letting him know that he can't be fired?

 

[Terry Yake]

Firing BB had to be done you can't keep a coach with his playoff history especially the history with our team having coached us to 4 years in a row blowing a 3-2 series lead. If we kept him that would of been a joke especially if we have a 5th year in a row blowing a 3-2 series lead and then what should we do then? Continue to call him a good coach and keep him letting him know that he can't be fired?

get rid of the real problem

getzlaf, perry, and murray

 

[Ducks Nation*]

get rid of the real problem

getzlaf, perry, and murray

Then miss the playoffs every season?

 

[dracom]

get rid of the real problem

getzlaf, perry, and murray

Sorry, did I stumble onto facebook?

Trading Getz and Perry is nearly impossible because of their age and contract. But you also don't trade your two best players, and the faces of your team.

 

[Terry Yake]

i know they won't get rid of them

but they're the real problems. you lose one game 7? yeah that could be on the coach. you give up one 3-2 series lead? also could be on the coach

you lose 4 straight game 7s at home while being up 3-2 in every one of those series'? that's not on the coach, that's 100% on the players

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Sorry, did I stumble onto facebook?

Trading Getz and Perry is nearly impossible because of their age and contract. But you also don't trade your two best players, and the faces of your team.

I agree trading Getzlaf is dumb. He's a top-10 center in the league, you don't give that up.

Perry, though? I'd be okay with that. Not about sending a message or anything, just allocating resources. Trade him, re-sign Perron and use the major savings to make the team better.

 

[70sSanO]

A lot of talk about size and being soft and then you look at Pittsburg and what they are doing with Dumoulin, Shultz and Lovejoy and have to wonder how is it possible? I know that Matt Murray is playing lights out, but how did Sullivan do it?

And I can't see Maclean or Carlyle making the same impact.

John

 

[WhatTheDuck]

A lot of talk about size and being soft and then you look at Pittsburg and what they are doing with Dumoulin, Shultz and Lovejoy and have to wonder how is it possible? I know that Matt Murray is playing lights out, but how did Sullivan do it?

And I can't see Maclean or Carlyle making the same impact.

John

Dumoulin is 6'4 and the other two are 6'2. Not saying they're the toughest bunch but there's no lack of size there.

 

[gilfaizon]

A lot of talk about size and being soft and then you look at Pittsburg and what they are doing with Dumoulin, Shultz and Lovejoy and have to wonder how is it possible? I know that Matt Murray is playing lights out, but how did Sullivan do it?

And I can't see Maclean or Carlyle making the same impact.

John

Still think the Ducks had terrible luck come playoff time this year. Rakell and Perron were such important players during the regular season. With both of them healthy I think we win that series before it gets to 7. Can't make excuses but also can't pretend it didn't effect the team.

 

[Duck Off]

A lot of talk about size and being soft and then you look at Pittsburg and what they are doing with Dumoulin, Shultz and Lovejoy and have to wonder how is it possible? I know that Matt Murray is playing lights out, but how did Sullivan do it?

And I can't see Maclean or Carlyle making the same impact.

John

It's possible because Sullivan is using a system that fits that team perfectly. Plus, they have a lot of forwards who can carry the puck into the zone themselves.

The defenseman for Pittsburgh get rid of the puck extremely quickly. Seriously just watch next game with that in mind. It's very impressive. SJ tried clogging things up to start the last game, and it worked out pretty well. Not sure if it's fatigue or just that the Pens started spreading it out better, but it didn't happen much in periods 2 and 3. There's no time to fore-check their defenseman because, aside from Letang, they don't hold onto it very long. You can pull this type of hockey off when you have a ton of speed and forwards with the speed and skill to enter the offensive zone.

 

[70sSanO]

It's possible because Sullivan is using a system that fits that team perfectly. Plus, they have a lot of forwards who can carry the puck into the zone themselves.

The defenseman for Pittsburgh get rid of the puck extremely quickly. Seriously just watch next game with that in mind. It's very impressive. SJ tried clogging things up to start the last game, and it worked out pretty well. Not sure if it's fatigue or just that the Pens started spreading it out better, but it didn't happen much in periods 2 and 3. There's no time to fore-check their defenseman because, aside from Letang, they don't hold onto it very long. You can pull this type of hockey off when you have a ton of speed and forwards with the speed and skill to enter the offensive zone.

Thanks! Excellent reply. I do remember how quickly they move the puck out.

As far as a system, whoever we get will need to build a system around what we have. Not just roll something out and see what sticks. And as others have said, we really need a coach that can make adjustments on the fly.

John

 

[Ducks in a row]

get rid of the real problem

getzlaf, perry, and murray

Congrats trading Getzlaf and Perry makes us a rebuild team and Kesler won't want to be around for that so he needs to be traded to and then your asking for a new GM to handle the rebuild. You are crazy.

i know they won't get rid of them

but they're the real problems. you lose one game 7? yeah that could be on the coach. you give up one 3-2 series lead? also could be on the coach

you lose 4 straight game 7s at home while being up 3-2 in every one of those series'? that's not on the coach, that's 100% on the players

That is not 100% on the players the coach is partly to blame the question is how much and the answer is not 0% or close to it. Regardless of how much the coach is to blame you just couldn't keep him you just couldn't and we didn't.

 

[Terry Yake]

Congrats trading Getzlaf and Perry makes us a rebuild team and Kesler won't want to be around for that so he needs to be traded to and then your asking for a new GM to handle the rebuild. You are crazy.



That is not 100% on the players the coach is partly to blame the question is how much and the answer is not 0% or close to it. Regardless of how much the coach is to blame you just couldn't keep him you just couldn't and we didn't.

yeah, let's blame everything on the coach and totally let the core group of PLAYERS slide. the same group that melts under pressure when it counts the most year after year after year

that's the ducks recipe for success right there! the funny thing is, when next year's team underachieves most of you sheep will still be saying that firing BB was a good move

 

[Ducks in a row]

yeah, let's blame everything on the coach and totally let the core group of PLAYERS slide. the same group that melts under pressure when it counts the most year after year after year

that's the ducks recipe for success right there! the funny thing is, when next year's team underachieves most of you sheep will still be saying that firing BB was a good move

Ducks have never been chokers like this before in fact no team has ever been chokers like this it all started with BB as the coach. Regardless it is not 100% on the players the coach deserves some of the blame as well. I have never given 100% blame to anything no one should because there is multiple sides that are to blame.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Choke jobs explained:

Supernova occurs at the end of a single star’s lifetime. As the star runs out of nuclear fuel, some of its mass flows into its core. Eventually, the core is so heavy that it cannot withstand its own gravitational force. The core collapses, which results in the giant explosion of a supernova. The sun is a single star, but it does not have enough mass to become a supernova.

 

[snarktacular]

So Boudreau isn't fat massive enough?

(wow it took a long time to figure out how to strikethrough)

 

[Duck Off]

Thanks! Excellent reply. I do remember how quickly they move the puck out.

As far as a system, whoever we get will need to build a system around what we have. Not just roll something out and see what sticks. And as others have said, we really need a coach that can make adjustments on the fly.

John

That's not going to be easy as long as Murray keeps changing the identity of this team year to year. Never mind the fact that he doesn't get much input from his coach.

A lot of people, including myself, thought the Pens lineup was too dependent on their forwards. Well JR found a coach that can use that type of lineup, and they're reaping the rewards. That D core doesn't have the talent to carry play so he simplified it dramatically. I've watched a lot of Pens games this playoff series, and all their D do is block shots, and get the puck to a forward immediately. Even if it's a small pass. It takes a lot off the defenseman's shoulders. The Hagelin trade looks pure genius on both GM's part. It's somewhat infuriating on how well Hags is playing for them, but that system and having those skilled centers who can carry the puck, is absolutely perfect for his game.

I think it was Snark that said it best: Carlyle isn't necessarily a bad option, but he's a terrible option to pair with Murray.