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Green will likely get the job. With Sullivan winning the cup and BM speaking positively of "new guys like Cooper" previously, writing is on the wall.
 
mightyquack said:
Maybe someone can save BM from his own stupidity and appoint RC before he can.
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Depends upon whether Dirk has enough money to buy his own team or not.

Lord Flashheart said:
Green will likely get the job. With Sullivan winning the cup and BM speaking positively of "new guys like Cooper" previously, writing is on the wall.
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This would seem quite logical Mr Spock.
 
From all of Murrays comments it's clear Carlyle is coming back.
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
 
Dirk316 said:
From all of Murrays comments it's clear Carlyle is coming back.
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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A monkey could have won a stanley cup with that team. Literally a monkey. That was easily the best team I have ever seen.
 
Dirk316 said:
From all of Murrays comments it's clear Carlyle is coming back.
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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I don't think anyone here hates Carlyle, just nobody wants him back.
 
Dirk316 said:
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
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If a scientist tells me he's either giving me an injection that's going to cause a tumor or a mystery injection, which admittedly has a miniscule chance to give me full-blown AIDS, but might just be a placebo or could even be the treatment I do need for one of my various conditions, then yeah, mystery injection it damn well is. If the upside is as limited as with Randy's system, we better roll those dice.

Dirk316 said:
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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He isn't hated. He just isn't so blindly loved that more people forgot the years after his success (with an absurdly stacked team) and would ask for a do-over.
 
Dirk316 said:
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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Not sure, but he may be the only one that has been knocking on doors for the past 18 months trying to get hired. Even Tortorella didn't wait as long to find a team.

So maybe it is not just us.

John
 
Dirk316 said:
From all of Murrays comments it's clear Carlyle is coming back.
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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Nope. It's a pretty common occurrence when the guy wins a cup then has the team tune him out in subsequent years.

And that's the thing. This team's leaders tuned him out. They've admitted to quitting on him. On a team who's gotten a reputation of being choke artists, you want to bring back a coach who had a choke of historical proportions his last time in the playoffs (no other team in NHL history has ever had a 3 goal league with 11 minutes left in game 7 and lost).

There are more than enough red flags to counterbalance "won a Cup with one of the most stacked rosters ever in the Cap era".
 
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I really dont want Carlyle here but those of you saying that anyone could have coached the 07 team to a cup needs to cut it out.
We had a great team, yes. But Carlyles system made them even better and he deserves credit for it, not a fist of poo thrown in his face.
 
nilssont said:
I really dont want Carlyle here but those of you saying that anyone could have coached the 07 team to a cup needs to cut it out.
We had a great team, yes. But Carlyles system made them even better and he deserves credit for it, not a fist of poo thrown in his face.
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No, let's keep comparing him to a monkey and a tumor. Let's also continue to aggrandize the 2007 team as an unbeatable juggernaut who could have won with literally any system, or even none at all. History has never recorded such a collection of talent. Those red wings didn't stand a chance.
 
nilssont said:
I really dont want Carlyle here but those of you saying that anyone could have coached the 07 team to a cup needs to cut it out.
We had a great team, yes. But Carlyles system made them even better and he deserves credit for it, not a fist of poo thrown in his face.
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Agreed, people are being too dismissive. Think of some of the non-standard things he did that contributed.

You have two superstar defensemen. What do you do with them? Most coaches put them on the same line and play the heck out of it. Suter + Weber. But Carlyle actually keeps each separate, and uses them to anchor a weaker partner. Also he gives them identity. Niedermayer Beauch to shut down faster players, Pronger OD to shut down bigger lines. This is key budget-wise. Keep in mind that Pronger and Niedermayer take up a MASSIVE amount of the cap. They would make like 11 million in today's cap. They made this work because Beuchemin and O'Donnell made less than 2, so that the pairings weren't so expensive overall.

Playing 3 lines with major minutes is somewhat different as well. He gives basically 3 lines #1 minutes and barely plays the 4th. He also gives them identity, and uses the checking line religiously. The offensive lines have two styles too, a crash and bang line and a speed line. The extra center on the 4th is free to soak up extra minutes for PK, which is important because the team takes so many penalties with its rough style.

Sprinkling toughness all through the lineup rather than concentrating it in one line. Kunitz, Moen, May, Parros. That way the team identity is present all game long.

Convincing Selanne to play defense.

Most of these aren't the obvious things to do.
 
That's all well and good, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't done squat with a team that wasn't that good, and our current roster isn't remotely that good. The issue with RC isn't that he didn't do a great job with a great roster. It's that he's never done a great job with a roster that isn't great.

That, and the Getzlaf/Perry quitting on him thing.
 
Dirk316 said:
From all of Murrays comments it's clear Carlyle is coming back.
Nobody here knows anything about Greens coaching style it's hilarious how everyone wants him despite being a true unknown.
Is Carlyle the only Stanley Cup winning coach that is this hated by his team's fan base?
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He's not hated. Lack of adoration != hatred.

Eddie Shack said:
This would seem quite logical Mr Spock.
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I could only hope to be that wise.
 
I was just over reading the Flames board, looks like the final three candidates were Carlyle, Glen Gulutzan and Todd Reirden and an announcement should be coming very soon. They all seem to be in favor of either of the latter two.

Borrowed this piece on Reirden from over there, not sure if his name has come up but he sounds like he could make an excellent coach http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/capitals-assistant-todd-reirden-future-head-coach-nhl/
 
Ducks DVM said:
That's all well and good, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't done squat with a team that wasn't that good, and our current roster isn't remotely that good. The issue with RC isn't that he didn't do a great job with a great roster. It's that he's never done a great job with a roster that isn't great.

That, and the Getzlaf/Perry quitting on him thing.
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I don't want Carlyle, especially with Murray helming it. I'm not too enamored about him with Getz and Perry as well.

But the whole "a room full of Tale of Two Cities writers could coach the 2007 team to a Cup" is just too far.
 
I am on mobile, but here is his tweet:

I'm hearing candidates for the @AnaheimDucks head coaching job are being told Randy Carlyle will be the choice. Coached their 5+ years.
 
Ducks DVM said:
That's all well and good, but the fact of the matter is that he hasn't done squat with a team that wasn't that good, and our current roster isn't remotely that good. The issue with RC isn't that he didn't do a great job with a great roster. It's that he's never done a great job with a roster that isn't great.

That, and the Getzlaf/Perry quitting on him thing.
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I'd say the 2006 roster was pretty average, and he did a great job with them. 2009 as well. You could also argue what he did with that Leafs roster in 2013 was pretty incredible.

And that's a pretty high standard to hold a coach to IMO. You can say similar things about a lot of coaches considered good, even elite.
 
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