Chloe Primarano becomes the first female to be selected in the WHL Bantam Draft

wetcoast

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Is this a publicity stunt? It feels like when Michael Sam was picked very late in the 7th round of the NFL draft because he was openly gay when he was clearly not good enough.

I think it might have been on the giants part but that's not the fault of the player is it?

I heard an interview with the player on CBC and she was asked what it was like getting a phone call from Michael Buble congratulating her on being drafted.

Given the track record of all 13 round picks in the Bantam draft it certainly brought unwanted attention to the player but that's the problem with trailblazers as they do draw attention to being the first in something but also people crawl out to the lowest common denominator to bring alot of negative attention to the situation as well.

I think EVERYONE should read this post and stop and think before posting in this thread.

Here's the playbook:

- Tip your hat

- Wish her well

- Watch what happens

Here's what not to do:

- argue with strangers on the internet about 14 year old female hockey players
 

Mickey Marner

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She might some games in, in a couple years before heading to the NCAA. WHL draft is a year earlier than OHL or QMJHL, so she still has at least a year of midget to play and then likely with whomever Vancouver's affiliate is.
 

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But why?

Its really good that this has happened,
but why did they choose a girl over a boy?
You can imagine the tier of mouth-breathers available in the 13th round of the Bantam draft?

What if Chloe gets injured badly in a collision with a much heavier young man? Who bares the responsibility? She’s too young, so it’s not her. What if the young man is 18+, is it him? Is it her parents for allowing her to play a collision sport against young men? Is it the Giants for drafting her and putting her on the ice with much bigger players who are young men?
Would we put a 15-16 year old girl at linebacker on a football team like Clemson and have her go through one on one tackling and blocking drills?
Of course not. So why do we accept that the Giants will actually ever put this girl into a situation where she truly competes against the young men? obviously, the Giants will not do that. So, why did they draft her?
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Cool for her and probably meant as publicity for women in hockey which is fine. Hope she doesn't actually play though, she'll get pasted through the boards and end up in the hospital.
I agree it would likely be a rough go if the rest of the WHL is just as aggressive on the ice as they typically are but idk if that will happen.

When I wrestled, my freshman year at JV open meets there would be a handful of girls. Nobody wanted to end up facing one, and if they did, my teammates talked about how awkward and difficult it was to full-on compete. Almost like a mental block or lack of ability to have the same level of aggression.

So that’s just my experience and also wrestling, which is very up close and personal as-is… but I wouldn’t assume guys are going to be flying around and body checking this young lady into the boards with regularity. I think it’s gonna be awkward and many will likely try to not kill her.

The merits and fairness on both sides isn’t really for me to discuss, but that’s an anecdotal tidbit I think is relevant.
 

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Because women can be better than boys at anything, what the hell does that mean lmao?




Shes bigger than Debrincat, stop this veiled misogyny, it reeks. This is 2022.




Yes, some are.
Why are u triggered for genuine care for her safety? She’s attempting to accomplish something no other female has achieved, in one of the scarier sports to play. It’s ok for people to be worried about her safety given her size and the fact we’ve never seen a female play at this level, in a league high in physicality. Especially as someone who’s never watched her play yet, it’s fair to have some sort of concern. Doesn’t mean everybody doesn’t wish her the best of luck and hope she plays and finds success. Nobody’s trying to tear her down or her scare out of an opportunity. Simply just worried about the worst case scenario happening.

This doesn’t have to become a political thing.
 

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This doesn’t have to become a political thing.
These sorts of comments are always so annoying. Look at all of these comments that are casually thinking her selection is a bad thing:

"She's small and it's so dangerous for someone of her size"
"It was probably for publicity"
"Oh great now they'll need three locker rooms"
"We're just concerned about her safety because bigger guys will see this as an opportunity to put her in her place"
"Guys have a mental block when competing against a woman because they don't want to hurt her"

On and on. If it doesn't have to "become a political thing" then why do these comments only happen when a woman does something? Do you ever hear comments about a 14 year old boy who got drafted in the later rounds being in danger if they end up playing because 19-year olds will be hitting them? No one says that. They say something like, "he'll work with coaches to gain strength so he doesn't get pushed around".

This is just a predictable pattern when it comes to a woman doing something. There's discrediting of her talent or will or merit strictly because of her gender and it's always hidden behind "concern". Let her play. If she can, awesome. If she can't, awesome. Water finds it level. There's no reason to "worry" on her behalf in some patronizing fashion.

It's almost exhausting trying to explain these things sometimes.
 

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These sorts of comments are always so annoying. Look at all of these comments that are casually thinking her selection is a bad thing:

"She's small and it's so dangerous for someone of her size"
"It was probably for publicity"
"Oh great now they'll need three locker rooms"
"We're just concerned about her safety because bigger guys will see this as an opportunity to put her in her place"
"Guys have a mental block when competing against a woman because they don't want to hurt her"

On and on. If it doesn't have to "become a political thing" then why do these comments only happen when a woman does something? Do you ever hear comments about a 14 year old boy who got drafted in the later rounds being in danger if they end up playing because 19-year olds will be hitting them? No one says that. They say something like, "he'll work with coaches to gain strength so he doesn't get pushed around".

This is just a predictable pattern when it comes to a woman doing something. There's discrediting of her talent or will or merit strictly because of her gender and it's always hidden behind "concern". Let her play. If she can, awesome. If she can't, awesome. Water finds it level. There's no reason to "worry" on her behalf in some patronizing fashion.

It's almost exhausting trying to explain these things sometimes.
I mean a small amount of people are explicitly saying it’s a bad thing. These 2 things can both be true:

1. It’s a great achievement for her to be drafted at her age. She has a bright future in hockey.

2. There’s no way in hell she will ever be able to play at the WHL level given her physical stature and her actual ability. Based on real life evidence of the women’s team playing against men
 

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I’m guessing we all saw Girard get squished against the wall tonight. Imagine this young girl playing against 20 year old young men. Some of those young men will weigh well over 200 pounds and skate very very fast. Girard got hit by a much heavier guy moving at high speed. (Plenty of momentum) Do the math. This girl could be injured badly in a collision with a much heavier and faster moving young man who out weighs her by 70 pounds.
It’s cool she is good enough to get drafted. But who is responsible for her safety? Yes boys can get injured too, but should we be putting girls against young men in physical battles, like in hockey?
Absolutely not and the idea it is in itself insane and now everyone us like "oh look at girl play man hockey giants supah smawt picking her look how progressive and forward thinking and if you tink uddawise you no likey wahmen you hate all teh wahmen years of factual data wrong compared to muh feelings and i know because i luv teh wahmen and if you disagree you big big racist biggot who hate wahmen stupid white cis men don't know how privileged they are" -privileged white cis male on the internet trying to be the white savior voice of all people
 
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So Chloe turned 15 a few months ago and played in a local tournament this past weekend. I was working there and once I realized she was playing, I saw just how much talent she actually had. She played in a U18W division and the overall level of play was a lot higher than I expected, considering I go to a lot of WHL games. Yes it is a step down, but aside from hitting there wasn't an insane gap between the girls and guys at that age.

I mainly watched Primerano in the gold medal game, and the first two periods I saw absolutely nothing flashy. Every play was the smart one, and she didn't make a single mistake. Short shifts, incredible defensive positioning for her age, most physical player on the ice, fantastic first pass and an assist on one of their teams goals in the first period. Naively, I started to get worried as she wasn't doing anything flashy to stand out. I started to worry about her confidence and her puckhandling, despite these being considered strengths of hers. Ended up going up 2-0 before the other team (a U16 academy with some insane players themselves) clawed their way back. As Chloe felt the tide of the game shift to the other team, she started doing more herself. She started going coast to coast more, using her edges and superior hockey sense to cut through seams like butter, getting chance after chance after chance. Whenever she didn't get the whistle in the attacking end, she'd book it to get back defensively before doing it all again. There were a couple times where the other team could've capitalized on her doing too much, but her skills were fascinating to watch and absolutely effortless.

Overall, she has fantastic edges but isn't necessarily a fast skater. The way she uses the momentum of the defenders in transition is very clever though, as she goes from east-west with ease to create space for her and her teammates. As she gets older, I expect her to get faster and stronger. She also has really good gap control, and isn't afraid to ride others into the boards. A few shortcomings I found however, is I she takes it upon herself to do it all for her team and there are times where she could've been caught out of position. She also needs to work on her shot selection, as there were times she'd shoot from low-danger areas without troubling the goalie too much, but telling a kid she shoots too much is far from uncommon, and far from a huge problem. Her hockey IQ is incredible, and being able to adapt based on how the game was flowing is highly indicative that she can elevate her game.

TL;DR: Chloe Primerano being drafted wasn't a "feel-good story" and she didn't take little Timmy's rightful draft spot. She is an incredible hockey player for her age and has all the tools to make it to the WHL.
 
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Absolutely not and the idea it is in itself insane and now everyone us like "oh look at girl play man hockey giants supah smawt picking her look how progressive and forward thinking and if you tink uddawise you no likey wahmen you hate all teh wahmen years of factual data wrong compared to muh feelings and i know because i luv teh wahmen and if you disagree you big big racist biggot who hate wahmen stupid white cis men don't know how privileged they are" -privileged white cis male on the internet trying to be the white savior voice of all people
Lmao why does this have you so irate? One thing I am virtually certain of: it isn’t because you are concerned for her safety lol. You aren’t fooling anyone hiding behind that pretense.
 

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Yes it is a step down, but aside from hitting there wasn't an insane gap between the girls and guys at that age.
You typed a lot of words just to ignore one of the most important aspects of the sport.

She’s either going to get rocked, or she isn’t because guys hold back on purpose. Either way, it’s not ideal for an entertainment perspective or a developmental perspective.

Does anyone genuinely think it isn’t a problem that guys need to look around the entire ice to make sure she is/isn’t on during their shift? Make sure when they engage they need to temper themselves? Not concerned that this sets a precedent for the future? I mean seriously, just a little critical thinking here goes a long way.
 
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Lmao why does this have you so irate? One thing I am virtually certain of: it isn’t because you are concerned for her safety lol. You aren’t fooling anyone hiding behind that pretense.
No I'm not allowed to be concerned for her safety because that would make me a misogynist that believes women are weak and inferior and no logical argument is to be had, and I'm not mad just making fun of people who think something like this is a good idea because its not unless she doesn't play than it'll be a pr stunt which is demeaning in its own way.
 

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IMO, good on Chloe. Trail blazer.

I disagree it's purely publicity stunt, but whatever, it's not my hill to die on and I'd rather agree to disagree with others and move on with life and just see how things unfold.

Some posters are more mad that a female was drafted in the 13th round of the WHL than if an imaginary male was drafted with that 13th round pick.

It's one thing to wish her well and have concern that she might get injured and hope that there's a way to keep her safe without changing the way we play. That is valid IMO. But feigning an attitude of trying to keep her safe by hinting she should be restricted from playing at all in this league is BS. The greatest concerns for injury are basically illegal anyways. Perhaps if Chloe is involved in one of these illegal plays, it might shine some light on you "white knights" and help to clean up the toxic masculinity that many posters agree is rife in hockey culture. Worst case scenario, she plays, doesn't do great, most of you don't care, life goes on. Maybe her career is destroyed by a bad hit and some of you are right in that regards, but honestly, no one likes a know it all.

But maybe, just maybe, standing on that stage will be something positive in her life. This in the same way that some guys I've met who only played a single NHL game talk about it with a smile rather than consider themselves a failure like some arm chair GMs on different sites. Some people know they are limited but consider that pushing the ceiling of expectation a worthy pursuit. Chloe is likely on such a path, so good on her. Her idea of success might not be to dominate the WHL, but to purely enjoy reaching that stage and seeing if she survive at that level. Perhaps she hopes to pave the way for other women who love hockey to have a path to continue on at a high level.

I believe that women's hockey at the highest level barely exceeds/exceeded the training facilities, ice time and coaching of most beer leagues. IMO this is perhaps a reason why we don't see many women teams do well against young men who are likely coached and trained with superior tools from a younger age. Perhaps we might see higher end women talent if they are developed with higher level training and facilities. We won't know until someone like Chloe gives it a try. This is an extension of what Wickenheiser did in the Finnish league, but if you read the interviews, there were significant barriers to Wickenheiser succeeding there and I'm not purely talking about the on ice usage and being targeted by opposition. Hopefully Chloe has less of those barriers (language, home sickness, less family support in a foreign country etc.) and have a better chance of doing well.

The opposing comment about Chloe's ability to dominate is pretty BS as well. She will have to claw her way up and earn her stripes through adversity. Many other young men face adversity and do not make it to the top either. Her path right now is a totally new one for women. It does not mean she is guaranteed to have any form of success at the WHL. But women in general should be given a chance to start somewhere. Even if Chloe fails, other young women can look at her journey, learn lessons from her, improve and aim to hit a higher target than where she finishes off in the future.

It doesn't matter what side of the issue you stand on. You have your opinion and honestly speaking, most people do not give a F what your opinion is whether you support her or not. So let's go back to the old adage, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

I won't pretend that I will keep close tabs on Chloe's career, but I'll definitely look her up on occasion and see what has transpired from time to time.

I wish Chloe the best and I hope she reaches her goal, whatever that maybe.
 

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You typed a lot of words just to ignore one of the most important aspects of the sport.

She’s either going to get rocked, or she isn’t because guys hold back on purpose. Either way, it’s not ideal for an entertainment perspective or a developmental perspective.

Does anyone genuinely think it isn’t a problem that guys need to look around the entire ice to make sure she is/isn’t on during their shift? Make sure when they engage they need to temper themselves? Not concerned that this sets a precedent for the future? I mean seriously, just a little critical thinking here goes a long way.
And you typed a lot of words to ignore my point. Chloe isn't someone who needs protecting or needs others holding back. If you don't hit her, she will bowl you over, plain and simple. I have seen her play, and talked to teammates and parents. She's not the stereotypical "lady-skater," like you seem to think. She's built closer to a strong Quinn Hughes than a Nathan Gerbe, and she's tenacious like a defensive Tyler Motte. Plus, she's 15. We talk about small 15 year old boys like they can become bodybuilders when they're drafted at 5'5 130lbs, yet someone who's already bigger than the likes of Johnny Gaudreau has no chance of playing in this type of league?

Writing her off because you have a preconceived notion of what women in sport are is both naïve and offensive to all of the work she has done to get to where she is today. If you want to talk about an entertainment perspective, would it not be better for the league to have the best players play in the best league, rather than just the best men? If you say no to this, then you really aren't worried about Chloe's safety as you claim.
 

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