Chloe Primarano becomes the first female to be selected in the WHL Bantam Draft

[Sheppy]

Lmao, I played college football, I played in the nastiest ghetto junior A leagues and Im a bjj blue belt now, thanks tho.

No you’re not.

 

[Tutu to]

Lay waste is a strong term, but Im pretty sure shed be PPG ish.

If you think a trained female athlete in her physical prime is physically weaker than 16 17 and 18 years old, thats a big problem.

Again, I linked a paper in the 2nd page, go read it, very interesting.

Im also commenting as someone that is stronger than probably 98% of the population. The mid percentile men and upper women intersect a lot in physical ability, its a simple fact.

Yes I do think most 16-18 male athletes are physically stronger than females in their prime.

It’s not just strength though. There is a massive gap when it comes to explosiveness between men and women.

 

[Sheppy]

So out of all I wrote, the only thing you could answer to was that?

Yikes man... I know, its tough to be targeted and you have to do introspection to admit you are privileged, or you can just deny it and go the Jordan Peterson way.

You legitimately haven’t responded to anything I said with any sort of substance.

You basically said “rooO rOOoo misogyny, misogyny, misogyny”

Don’t call people out for not answering, please.

 

[Tutu to]

Lmao, I played college football, I played in the nastiest ghetto junior A leagues and Im a bjj blue belt now, thanks tho.

You’re from Montreal?

What gym do you train at?

 

[Northerner]

So out of all I wrote, the only thing you could answer to was that?

Yikes man... I know, its tough to be targeted and you have to do introspection to admit you are privileged, or you can just deny it and go the Jordan Peterson way.

No that was as far as I got. You don't have any clue who I am or what tragedies I've lived through so with all due respect save that "privilege" label for someone else thanks.


(I may try responding to some of your other stuff in there tomorrow when I get to keyboard//

 

[hypereconomist]

You realize the massive difference between U18 AAA and Major Junior, right?

...and the context of poster that you were replying to said mens league, not specifically major junior.

The original point of that poster is valid though. If you put a player like MPP with players of similar skill (e.g. Junior A or low-end CHL players) instead of much weaker womens players, she can more than hold her own. Just like how Jennifer Wakefield is quite good in the Swedish 5th division playing with and against men that played in Sweden's top junior league in their youth.

If Chloe Primarano is as good against U15 AAA boys as her stats indicate, it's too early to write her off as just another "future good womens player". She very well could be another generational womens player that is actually good enough to hold her own against men.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

...and the context of poster that you were replying to said mens league, not specifically major junior.

The original point of that poster is valid though. If you put a player like MPP with players of similar skill (e.g. Junior A or low-end CHL players) instead of much weaker women's players, she can more than hold her own. Just like how Jennifer Wakefield is quite good in the Swedish 5th division playing with and against men that played in Sweden's top junior league in their youth.

If Chloe Primarano is as good against U15 AAA boys as her stats indicate, it's too early to write her off as just another "future good womens player". She very well could be another generational womens player that is actually good enough to hold her own against men.

The poster I quoted said that MPP would dominate the CHL, have you not been following the discussion?

It's absolutely not to early to write Chloe off. Girls mature much earlier than boys, so her putting up impressive numbers vs 13-14 year old boys is less meaning than you seem to think.

 

[covfefe]

Here's the playbook:

- Tip your hat

- Wish her well

- Watch what happens

Here's what not to do:

- argue with strangers on the internet about 14 year old female hockey players

 

[kp61c]

Exactly. Im denying that "women are weak so they cant play" as per the misogynystic comments in this thread.

No, this mentality for decades has kept women competitives sports at a 2nd level, costing development overall for talents all over the world. Its a pretty simple sociological concept, but Im on a hockey board so I dont know why Im even trying.

The reality is if Gaudreau, Debrincat, Desharnais and Gerbe can have succesful careers, so could the upper range of female athletes.

MPP is a great example of how underdevelopped the womens sport is.

You would be open to women competing in boxing against men too?

 

[hypereconomist]

The poster I quoted said that MPP would dominate the CHL, have you not been following the discussion?

It's absolutely not to early to write Chloe off. Girls mature much earlier than boys, so her putting up impressive numbers vs 13-14 year old boys is less meaning than you seem to think.

And he followed it up with a post saying: "Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team."

Mens hockey team being the operative words. Forget the impossibility of MPP dominating the CHL, but it's inarguable that she could hold her own playing with men's hockey players of her caliber. Again, we live in a time where a handful of exceptional women players have held their own in lower-tier professional mens leagues (e.g. Wickenheiser, Szabados, Wakefield, etc.)


And your puberty point is moot because a 14-15 year old Chloe Primarano likely isn't done puberty either. Her brother is a 6'1'' 17 year old. Maybe her family genetics are superb. The law of averages for an entire cohort of women doesn't apply to edge cases like Chloe that are succeeding against boys.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And he followed it up with a post saying: "Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team."

Mens hockey team being the operative words. Forget the impossibility of MPP dominating the CHL, but it's inarguable that she could hold her own playing with men's hockey players of her caliber. Again, we live in a time where a handful of exceptional women players have held their own in lower-tier professional mens leagues (e.g. Wickenheiser, Szabados, Wakefield, etc.)


And your puberty point is moot because a 14-15 year old Chloe Primarano likely isn't done puberty either. Her brother is a 6'1'' 17 year old. Maybe her family genetics are superb. The law of averages for an entire cohort of women doesn't apply to edge cases like Chloe that are succeeding against boys.

I'm glad we agree then that MPP would struggle in the CHL.

The fact of the matter is that the boys she is competing with now have a lot more physical maturing still to come. She could be the Connor McDavid of women's hockey and still not be able to compete in the CHL.

 

[RoyalRed]

The world is going insane.

 

[Mrb1p]

You would be open to women competing in boxing against men too?

If said woman could compete at a given level, yes. I doubt any could though, up to a certain level.

Hockey dampens the physicals differences because It is a mostly non contact sport based in skill and intelligence.

The best player to ever play the game is a 170 lbs dude that couldve passed for Tony Sopranos wife on most days.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Some people are living in a dream world, where women and men are evenly matched.
Equality in society is very important, duh. Its key to everything, but this is sports.
- in sports we are not matched


| In society, i hope one day we can achieve this amazing goal
also, it shouldn't just end there, with women, equality belongs
to everyone ||


Its a nice dream that one day a woman could play professional hockey at the highest level versus men and success.
But its a pipe dream. - its even a dream that same can happen at major junior level, successfully

Its also a nice dream that a woman could challenge men, in men's professional sport, in general.
- in professional sports, sorry

| In Tennis..
That time best female pro Tennis player torched a former world #1 male Tennis players in 2 sets,
in the famous "battle of the sexes" .... but the result was set before the match even started,
i mean, how the hell a 50ish overweight dude could possibly beat a dominant pro
star at their prime, at their 20's.... sex had nothing to do with that win |


If you think my post, what i say, is misogynist,...well you have the right to say that i suppose
but its sad nevertheless and those people have no idea what i am.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

The WHL Draft should be 12 rounds.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

6 pages in 2 days for a player selected in the 13th round of a regional bantam draft who will only make a few appearances in the WHL while Korchinski has only attracted 2 pages for 3 years when he was drafted 10th and is expected in the 1st round this year...

 

[Patty Ice]

The world is going insane.

No. It's just narcissists have more platforms to pat themselves on the back now.

 

[kabidjan18]

...and the context of poster that you were replying to said mens league, not specifically major junior.

The original point of that poster is valid though. If you put a player like MPP with players of similar skill (e.g. Junior A or low-end CHL players) instead of much weaker womens players, she can more than hold her own. Just like how Jennifer Wakefield is quite good in the Swedish 5th division playing with and against men that played in Sweden's top junior league in their youth.

If Chloe Primarano is as good against U15 AAA boys as her stats indicate, it's too early to write her off as just another "future good womens player". She very well could be another generational womens player that is actually good enough to hold her own against men.

I mean, you said it yourself. The Swedish 5th division. It's a hobbyist league. Everyone there works day jobs. Including Jennifer Wakefield herself, who is a coach.

You say she is playing with and against men from Sweden's top junior league. The overwhelming majority of players in that league never played in the Swedish top junior league. And even those who did, performed significantly (almost incomparably) better in the beer league than in the Swedish Junior League, which suggests (unsurprisingly) that the level of the Swedish Top Junior League is much higher than that of the beer league.

Jennifer went to 28 games, which is more than most other folks could fit into their schedules. So she ended 168th in scoring. She was 513th in PPG. Now this figure isn't adjusted to omit players with less than 10 games. However, it's not at all weird for players to have less than 10 games. Half the league does not have 10 games. These players do not practice. They miss games to drive their kids to soccer practice.

Wakefield is retired. She is living in Sweden with her partner. She started a job there, coaching Almtuna, is raising 2 children, and in her spare time she plays in a hobbyist league. That doesn't say anything about the viability of MPP in the CHL, or any other professional senior league. To give Jennifer her well deserved credit, in her time she was the best women's player against the boys. She was second in scoring on the NT to only Natalie Spooner in the AMHL in preparation for the 2014 games. And she led scoring on the NT in the AMHL in preparation for the 2018 games. Her career 21 points in 30 games in the AMHL is unmatched. She may have been the best candidate to play in a higher junior league or men's league. But her performances in the Swedish 5th division don't say anything about the topic...

 

[Northerner]

The world is going insane.

Absolutely.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Man this is a weird thing to get mad about.

 

[Reddawg]

Man this is a weird thing to get mad about.

Just trying to imagine this poor kid coming here wondering if people are excited for her and seeing all the lunatics airing themselves out in here.

 

[Kung Fu Tzu]

"Man this is a weird thing to get mad about."

- Was thinking the same.. And this is supposed to be an example of the world gone mad? Thats hilarious!

Best of luck to Chloe Primerano!! I will root for and support her whatever her future will be! As I do with most young kids who love hockey like me.

 

[Zach716]

@Mrb1p stay off of Twitter. It's rotting your brain.

 

[kp61c]

If said woman could compete at a given level, yes. I doubt any could though, up to a certain level.

Hockey dampens the physicals differences because It is a mostly non contact sport based in skill and intelligence.

The best player to ever play the game is a 170 lbs dude that couldve passed for Tony Sopranos wife on most days.

Who is to decide? Some kind of committee? Will it be culpable if said womain is maimed or killed in the ring?

 

[Northerner]

Man this is a weird thing to get mad about.

Just trying to imagine this poor kid coming here wondering if people are excited for her and seeing all the lunatics airing themselves out in here.

"Man this is a weird thing to get mad about."

- Was thinking the same.. And this is supposed to be an example of the world gone mad? Thats hilarious!

Best of luck to Chloe Primerano!! I will root for and support her whatever her future will be! As I do with most young kids who love hockey like me.

No one is mad at this kid. If we're "mad" at anyone it's the people who pulled the stunt and then force all to nod along and play the game as if we don't know what they're up to..