Chloe Primarano becomes the first female to be selected in the WHL Bantam Draft

[wetcoast]

Lay waste is a strong term, but Im pretty sure shed be PPG ish.

If you think a trained female athlete in her physical prime is physically weaker than 16 17 and 18 years old, thats a big problem.

Again, I linked a paper in the 2nd page, go read it, very interesting.

Im also commenting as someone that is stronger than probably 98% of the population. The mid percentile men and upper women intersect a lot in physical ability, its a simple fact.

I really don't think so as I believe she played in the U17 training camp in Ottawa in November of last year and don't recall her excelling.

 

[PlayersLtd]

She’s about the same height as Johnny Gaudreau. 4 inches taller than Nathan Gerbe. Physical disadvantages blah blah, she can put on some weight and hit the weight room and won’t have any problems. Men get crushed too, it happens and it’s fine. If she’s smarter and faster than the guys, who cares about her size.

Precisely what I said, she will need exceptional awareness and elusiveness to make up for what is likely to be a significant and possibly dangerous size disadvantage.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lay waste is a strong term, but Im pretty sure shed be PPG ish.

If you think a trained female athlete in her physical prime is physically weaker than 16 17 and 18 years old, thats a big problem.

Again, I linked a paper in the 2nd page, go read it, very interesting.

Im also commenting as someone that is stronger than probably 98% of the population. The mid percentile men and upper women intersect a lot in physical ability, its a simple fact.

Doesn't she have like only 10 points in 15 games vs Midget AAA teams? That's not a CHL player...

 

[Mrb1p]

Doesn't she have like only 10 points in 15 games vs Midget AAA teams? That's not a CHL player...

While playing with women, not men. Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Shes bigger than Debrincat, stop this veiled misogyny, it reeks. This is 2022.

Alex Dabrincat is 165lbs so no, she isn't the same size. Alex Dabrincat is also a top 50 (+ -) player in the world. The skills that make Dabrincant a top 50 player in the world are what he relies on to survive in a highly physical game where opponents are preying on physically vulnerable players and trying to run them through the boards.

I don't care if it is 2022 and I don't care if you find that comment misogynistic. I'm simply pointing out that if she remains in the 5'10" 145 lb range (maybe I'm completely off on that weight projection??) she will need to have some exceptional skills to make up for it or face being targeted and hurt by a player that wants to make a name for himself which, knowing Jr. hockey culture, there will be many.

I would love to see a female goaltender dominate because there is no risk to them being injured, or a female in any non-contact sport for that matter. Hockey, Rugby, Football, Roller Derby etc... that could be a very tough situation without some exceptional skills to fall back on. Maybe she has them or will develop them, let's hope she makes it and can display them.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

While playing with women, not men. Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team.

So what you're saying is that the best women's players in the world aren't good enough to support her against 15 year old boys?

 

[Mrb1p]

So what you're saying is that the best women's players in the world aren't good enough to support her against 15 year old boys?

Exactly. Im denying that "women are weak so they cant play" as per the misogynystic comments in this thread.

No, this mentality for decades has kept women competitives sports at a 2nd level, costing development overall for talents all over the world. Its a pretty simple sociological concept, but Im on a hockey board so I dont know why Im even trying.

The reality is if Gaudreau, Debrincat, Desharnais and Gerbe can have succesful careers, so could the upper range of female athletes.

MPP is a great example of how underdevelopped the womens sport is.

 

[Northerner]

Based on what? Marie Phillipe Poulin would 100% decimate the CHL,

Honestly making comments like that I have to ask you, what was the highest level you completed at?

 

[Riggins]

Team Canada (women) played junior A teams in Alberta and BC in five exhibition games to help prepare for these past Olympics. They were outscored 30-2 in games without hitting. It's not misogynistic to say it's an uneven playing field.

"You lose by big numbers, you ask yourself if we're doing the right thing, but after taking a step back, you have a couple meetings, you see what we do well," Canadian captain Marie-Philip Poulin said.

"The angling, the stickwork we have to do against these boys to be able to keep up with them is something we've introduced in our game. The big picture is tough to see when you lose by seven, eight goals.

"Our angling the first couple games against those guys, they were just blowing by us. That's what centralization is all about. It's adversity. How are we going to come of it?"

Safe to say she wouldn't decimate the CHL.

 

[Patty Ice]

While playing with women, not men. Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team.

What a misogynistic attitude deep seeded in your misogynistic upbringing. You need to do better if you really want to be an ally. Maybe you should go back and take more women lib courses and actually listen so you can accurately parrot buzz words and virtue signal just how much better you are than a bunch of randos on hockey message board.

 

[kabidjan18]

While playing with women, not men. Just playing with men makes her incredibly more adequate on a men hockey team.

I feel like this assertion is so much worse than the claim you're trying to argue against...

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Broke-ass CHL needs dough

 

[Mrb1p]

Honestly making comments like that I have to ask you, what was the highest level you completed at?

Lmao, I played college football, I played in the nastiest ghetto junior A leagues and Im a bjj blue belt now, thanks tho.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Exactly. Im denying that "women are weak so they cant play" as per the misogynystic comments in this thread.

No, this mentality for decades has kept women competitives sports at a 2nd level, costing development overall for talents all over the world. Its a pretty simple sociological concept, but Im on a hockey board so I dont know why Im even trying.

The reality is if Gaudreau, Debrincat, Desharnais and Gerbe can have succesful careers, so could the upper range of female athletes.

MPP is a great example of how underdevelopped the womens sport is.

Unfortunately for you, those sociological concepts don't actually reflect biological reality. And if you think 15 year old boys have had more development opportunities than Olympic women's hockey players, I don't know what to tell you other than you're dead wrong.

I know you like to think that small men are no more athletic than these women, but you're just wrong.

 

[kabidjan18]

Lmao, I played college football, I played in the nastiest ghetto junior A leagues and Im a bjj blue belt now, thanks tho.

Ah yes. You're the ignorant jiu jitsu guy.

See I read your comment and chuckled earlier. You're probably a heavy guy, so you feel like everyone who is light is about equally strong.

I'm a pretty light guy. Never played competitive sports after high school. When I'm motivated I may lift weights once a week, when I'm unmotivated, I lift maybe once a quarter. I'm the furthest thing from a physical specimen. I'm on a hiatus from jiu jitsu but when I was active, I would roll with many girls who were around my weight.

It's not close. I'm a good roll partner, so I don't just smash them. But it's not close. Particularly that, I'm terrible at jiu jitsu. Most of the girls I roll with have more color on their belts than I do, they've been training longer than I have, they have much more skill and experience than I have. I'm a good training partner so we work through positions and I give space and I give positions. But if I wanted to, I could be really mean. And sometimes, by accident, I still am a bit mean. And even, I roll with other guys who are near my weight, but lift more and are in better shape. The delta in strength when they roll a girl even of a "similar weight" would be even more drastic.

So maybe, you're naive enough to think that "oh, everyone around that weight range is equally strong." Well, I'm here to break it to you. They're not...

 

[Devonator]

Whoppee!!!

 

[Northerner]

Lmao, I played college football, I played in the nastiest ghetto junior A leagues and Im a bjj blue belt now, thanks tho.

You played football? What were your thoughts on the Sarah Fuller charade?

 

[Mrb1p]

You played football? What were your thoughts on the Sarah Fuller charade?

No idea, I dont follow that at all anymore, i see she was a kicker, if she can kick it good, why not?

 

[Eggtimer]

Second on her team among D for scoring. One of the few to play all 30 games. Burnaby was a decent squad finishing third in the regular season.

Nice to see, but honestly, as a defensemen she will need to be an incredibly evasive skater and have elite awareness to not get absolutely rocked in her first game in the WHL. It's just too physical and too aggressive for any + - 5'9 140 lb frame assuming she fills out into something of that physique.

Offsetting the temptation to break the barrier and make history, her coach is going to have to seriously consider her safety before dropping her into the lineup.

Also, since it is unlikely that she plays before her 19 yo season, isn't it nearly a foregone conclusion that she opt for Div 1 college hockey rather than wait out the odd chance at a few WHL games?

Yes , to be honest , she will have to be amazingly evasive a have exceptional on ice awareness / hockey IQ or she will get killed . Playing against 20 year olds or “kids” that are 6’4” and over 200lbs trying to make a name for themselves as well. I’m not saying she cannot do it , and I’m cheering for her to make it , however any kid playing D at that size is kinda scary .

 

[Northerner]

No idea, I dont follow that at all anymore, i see she was a kicker, if she can kick it good, why not?

She couldn't kick it good. At all.

 

[Mrb1p]

She couldn't kick it good. At all.

Then she shouldnt play. Im talking about a player of X sport that can compete. Pretty sure that kid that was drafted cant play, but to say its "physiologically impossible" is dumb as f*** and pretty much the same as saying black men are dumber because they score lower on IQ test.

Ignoring societal constructs is only for the white cis-men.

Things that could lead to a women being not good enough to play with the boys:

1. Telling her she needs to look womanly (no muscles.)

This leads to:
Poor nutrition, lower protein intake, caloric deficit and poor training method choices (Low RIR, low intensity, looking for the "burn" in their booty, never really training upper body, not using compound movements such as the squat, bench, deadlift or OHP.)

2. She needs to practice womanly activities.

This leads to:
Lesser development of physical capacities of women
Lesser development of sports culture for women
Poor distribution of talent
Low talent pool


The best of the best physical specimen for females will always be behind the best of the best physical specimen for males, but these should be fairly ahead of the first two, or even three quartiles of men.

Again, you cant tell me theres not at least one woman out there who couldn't rattle around Johnny f***ing Gaudreau out of all people.

Just looking at mega impressive women strength wise, Rhiannon Lovelace and Stefi Cohen would outlift 99% of the population, be it male or female.

 

[Northerner]

dumb as f*** and pretty much the same as saying black men are dumber because they score lower on IQ test.

So you say racially attacking an entire group is unacceptable, and then you say this:

Ignoring societal constructs is only for the white cis-men.

The irony...

 

[Mrb1p]

So you say racially attacking an entire group is unacceptable, and then you say this:

The irony...

So out of all I wrote, the only thing you could answer to was that?

Yikes man... I know, its tough to be targeted and you have to do introspection to admit you are privileged, or you can just deny it and go the Jordan Peterson way.

 

[hypereconomist]

So what you're saying is that the best women's players in the world aren't good enough to support her against 15 year old boys?

The 15 year old boy argument is wholly disingenuous. The AAA teams that the Women's Olympic team play are actually U18 and those teams are mostly comprised of 17-18 years olds that will graduate to Junior A...with a lot of those players later moving to CIS and NCAA teams when they age out of junior.

The best womens players aren't that good against U18 AAA teams, but the best woman player in the game would definitely be good enough to hold her own against Junior A players. We're not talking about the law of averages for top womens players. We're talking about the one or two exceptional/generational women players like MPP.

Is Chloe Primarano in the same class as MPP, Wickenheiser (maxed out in the second tier Finnish league), or Wakefield (maxed out in the fourth tier Swedish league)?

Only time will tell, but she very well could be the next generational womens player if this past season is any indicator.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The 15 year old boy argument is wholly disingenuous. The AAA teams that the Women's Olympic team play are actually U18 and those teams are mostly comprised of 17-18 years olds that will graduate to Junior A...with a lot of those players later moving to CIS and NCAA teams when they age out of junior.

The best womens players aren't that good against U18 AAA teams, but the best woman player in the game would definitely be good enough to hold her own against Junior A players. We're not talking about the law of averages for top womens players. We're talking about the one or two exceptional/generational women players like MPP.

Is Chloe Primarano in the same class as MPP, Wickenheiser (maxed out in the second tier Finnish league), or Wakefield (maxed out in the fourth tier Swedish league)?

Only time will tell, but she very well could be the next generational women's player if this past season is any indicator.

You realize the massive difference between U18 AAA and Major Junior, right?