CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[bigdog16]

Why can't the same or different donors spend some money on the hockey program?

Not sure if you do either, all it takes is some donors invested heavily in the hockey program to want to contribute to hockey-based NIL.

You're the one under the mistaken assumption that any money to hockey needs to be pulled away from football. Even if 9 alum are rapid football guys, if the tenth is a rapid hockey guy, you have hockey-based NIL right there.

$125K is not that much money in the United States. Do you realize how much money is in the United States?

Sure.. but if there's a will there's a way.

(btw, substitute "Michigan" for literally anybody else, that's just one school that could potentially be a big NIL player, not necessarily the only one).

Because the donors want to see the football team win, because the football team clears the most revenue by far. Unfortunately if the hockey team is good or bad, it doesn't make a difference for the school.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I have to chuckle at a guy directly contradicting Mike McMahon, who has covered College Hockey for 20 years, based on sources he refuses to share... who when pressed can't give a number as to what the most theoretically in-demand NIL candidate is receiving and has made all sorts of random conjectures on how CHL players being eligible for NCAA Hockey talking about what's been "debunked" by "reporters" (who?) and how "some people just like their little bubble".

Because the donors want to see the football team win, because the football team clears the most revenue by far. Unfortunately if the hockey team is good or bad, it doesn't make a difference for the school.

Most donors prefer football, but if some donors are part of a small but passionate hockey fanbase, they're not forbidden from donating for hockey, think that's all the point is, not that hockey NIL will ever equal football NIL.

 

[Breakers]

Yeah, reporters have pretty well much debunked the claim of six figure NIL deals in college hockey. Talk to any agent and not one will say so and so chose Michigan over Wisconsin because of NIL....it's almost never a factor in hockey. Some can't be convinced though but hey like I said believe what you want.

It's going to be real fun revisiting this thread in time. I remember last year when news started to break on allowing CHL players into D-1, there were some here that just refused to believe it, calling it strait up B.S. and hanging on to the words of Jim Connelly or College Hockey Inc who dismissed the possibility right out of hand. Some people just like their little bubble and get upset if anything tries to pierce it. So no sense arguing about it, let's just enjoy the ride on the massive change this decision will bring to the amateur hockey landscape.

It’s ridiculous
The guy from College hockey News is like look what Coach Primes son and what football makes

Michigan stadium alone has 110,000 capacity
A $180 million deal with Nike
And the insane tv rights in the billions
And it’s a head count sport

NCAA hockey shares TV rights packages with like 9 other sports, and they maybe sell the same amount of jerseys and merch in a year that football programs sell in 10 minutes on game day.

 

[Corso]

It’s ridiculous
The guy from College hockey News is like look what Coach Primes son and what football makes

Michigan stadium alone has 110,000 capacity
A $180 million deal with Nike
And the insane tv rights in the billions
And it’s a head count sport

NCAA hockey shares TV rights packages with like 9 other sports, and they maybe sell the same amount of jerseys and merch in a year that football programs sell in 10 minutes on game day.

Yeah, I think we sometime overlook how miniscule college hockey is to the overall landscape of NCAA athletics and when some hear of NIL deals in the millions they assume that hockey players are attracting if not seven figures then surely six. Reality is that college hockey is niche and when you are niche it's rather difficult in attracting large sums of money. There's a reason why Charlie Stramel, a first round pick, is soliciting autographs and videos for set fees instead of enjoying a six figure NIL deal brokered by a wealthy donor with ties to MSU.

 

[Wieters]

I have to chuckle at a guy directly contradicting Mike McMahon, who has covered College Hockey for 20 years, based on sources he refuses to share... who when pressed can't give a number as to what the most theoretically in-demand NIL candidate is receiving and has made all sorts of random conjectures on how CHL players being eligible for NCAA Hockey talking about what's been "debunked" by "reporters" (who?) and how "some people just like their little bubble".

Most donors prefer football, but if some donors are part of a small but passionate hockey fanbase, they're not forbidden from donating for hockey, think that's all the point is, not that hockey NIL will ever equal football NIL.

To add to this, Larry Ellison's wife, a Michigan alum, was the main driver behind the $10-$12 million Bryce Underwood (football quarterback) deal that went down last week. They simply decided they wanted to do it and that was that.

For hockey, all it would take is one rich alumnus--or in this case, the husband of an alumnus--to decide they want to sponsor a top-tier hockey prospect. That's it. It doesn't necessarily have to take the "heavy lifting" as is being made out.

 

[jtechkid]

To add to this, Larry Ellison's wife, a Michigan alum, was the main driver behind the $10-$12 million Bryce Underwood (football quarterback) deal that went down last week. They simply decided they wanted to do it and that was that.

For hockey, all it would take is one rich alumnus--or in this case, the husband of an alumnus--to decide they want to sponsor a top-tier hockey prospect. That's it. It doesn't necessarily have to take the "heavy lifting" as is being made out.

My only view look how many rich daddy’s are in hockey - private equity - hedge fund - wall street ect - i coached some teams where kid would show up with his body guard - lol . these guys could drop 500k -2 mill$ or more for hockey recruiting deal if they want . it cost prob 20-30 k play tier one hockey their lot of big money there .

 

[Wieters]

My only view look how many rich daddy’s are in hockey - private equity - hedge fund - wall street ect - i coached some teams where kid would show up with his body guard - lol . these guys could drop 500k -2 mill$ or more for hockey recruiting deal if they want . it cost prob 20-30 k play tier one hockey their lot of big money there .

Many universities have endowments that are larger than the GDP of small countries. That doesn't necessarily mean that colleges are dipping into that to hand out NIL deals, but it does mean that they are good at raising funds from their alumni, some of whom have very deep pockets.

 

[jtechkid]

Many universities have endowments that are larger than the GDP of small countries. That doesn't necessarily mean that colleges are dipping into that to hand out NIL deals, but it does mean that they are good at raising funds from their alumni, some of whom have very

 

[Wieters]

There's a reason why Charlie Stramel, a first round pick, is soliciting autographs and videos for set fees instead of enjoying a six figure NIL deal brokered by a wealthy donor with ties to MSU.

Here's the Opendorse page for Arch Manning, who was the top college football recruit in the country, is projected to go 1OA when he declares, and represents the next generation of the extremely well known and well off Manning family. You can request all of the same things you can for Charlie Stramel.

According to your logic, Arch Manning must be soliciting those things because he didn't broker a six figure NIL deal then, right? That's true, but only because he brokered a seven figure NIL deal worth $5 million. So let's not miscontrue there being an Opendorse page for an athlete as meaning anything about other NIL money they might've been able to secure.

 

[jtechkid]

It was reported Dupont visited Denver and will commit and go when eligible . CHL was celebrating now probably in panic mode . They will lose a huge chunk of stud kids to the ncaa and become their main feeder - lol

 

[Voight]

There is no school giving any where near the "going rate" of 125k for mid first round picks. Will some rich alumni step forward and make that happen....maybe but as of now it is not happening.

If NCAA hockey players (who as of now average less than 4k a year in NIL) could in fact command 125k then sure, your math works but they don't and it is very improbable that they will. The most received so far, by three players is 50k per year and those players are extreme outliers.

Could Michigan offer a McKenna a 125k a year to entice him, maybe (but unlikely) but that would be a total one off. NIL just isn't that big of a factor in college hockey and I think I explained why (and also linked an article with solid data to prove it).



I do know that many CHL teams are currently modifying their standard agreements to allow players to leave early if they so choose. Highly unlikely that Medicine Hat would stand in the way of McKenna's decision if he were to decide to leave for the NCAA. There are of course, many ways for Medicine Hat to encourage him to stay, however.

I dont see why he would tho. He wouldn't have much to gain. IMO top prospects are likely to stick in the CHL at least until they're drafted and even then, if they get sent back to juniors I dont know if they'd be willing to pack up and move to an entirely new city for what will probably be a single season.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

It was reported Dupont visited Denver and will commit and go when eligible . CHL was celebrating now probably in panic mode . They will lose a huge chunk of stud kids to the ncaa and become their main feeder - lol

Is Clanko Media super reliable? Just searched for it on Twitter and found the tweet.

Interested to see if Marek, Schlossman, McMahon, etc are privy to the report.

 

[Bonin21]

Until someone shows a prediction Clanko media got right before anyone else, just seems like a dude in his mom's basement throwing stuff out

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I dont see why he would tho. He wouldn't have much to gain. IMO top prospects are likely to stick in the CHL at least until they're drafted and even then, if they get sent back to juniors I dont know if they'd be willing to pack up and move to an entirely new city for what will probably be a single season.

The thing I'm very interested to see is if CHLers would go to the NCAA if the team that drafts them tells them to go to a certain university.

For example, we know that the Boston Bruins have liked steering NCAA eligible players they've drafted to Hockey East schools. If the Bruins draft Jake O'Brien of the Brantford Bulldogs in the O and they want O'Brien to spend at least one or two seasons at Boston University or Boston College, whom the Bruins have very good relationships with, would O'Brien do that? Would O'Brien be able to get out of his CHL Standard Player Agreement and go to the NCAA at 18 or even 19?

 

[jtechkid]

Until someone shows a prediction Clanko media got right before anyone else, just seems like a dude in his mom's basement throwing stuff out

lol good one - spit my coffee out . i still think CHL gets younger and becomes a feeder to the NCAA. they will move the draft age to 19 and everybody high end will play in one league - college

 

[Hockeyville USA]

lol good one - spit my coffee out . i still think CHL gets younger and becomes a feeder to the NCAA. they will move the draft age to 19 and everybody high end will play in one league - college

That's not happening for a long time because the NHLPA isn't going to move the entry age a year back unless they pay much less in escrow and/or UFA age gets moved up a year or years plural

 

[jtechkid]

That's not happening for a long time because the NHLPA isn't going to move the entry age a year back unless they pay much less in escrow and/or UFA age gets moved up a year or years plural

heard its happening in 2026 when new deal is signed . might be first 2 rounds at age 17 and then next 4 rounds at age 19 . its universal agreed from both sides that they will do something regarding age in the draft .

 

[Wieters]

The thing I'm very interested to see is if CHLers would go to the NCAA if the team that drafts them tells them to go to a certain university.

For example, we know that the Boston Bruins have liked steering NCAA eligible players they've drafted to Hockey East schools. If the Bruins draft Jake O'Brien of the Brantford Bulldogs in the O and they want O'Brien to spend at least one or two seasons at Boston University or Boston College, whom the Bruins have very good relationships with, would O'Brien do that? Would O'Brien be able to get out of his CHL Standard Player Agreement and go to the NCAA at 18 or even 19?

In the post-draft presser after the Bruins spent their first-round pick this year on Dean Letourneau, a Canadian who was at a Canadian prep school last year, Don Sweeney implied that the Bruins had talked to people at BC about how Letourneau would be developed at Boston College. And as recently as last week, Sweeney at a BC game to watch Letourneau (and Oskar Jellvik and Andre Gasseau, who are also Bruins draft picks on BC). There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about how the NHL is going to align itself with the CHL to conspire against the NCAA, but on the actual facts and in that specific case, there is a symbiotic relationship.

 

[Corso]

I dont see why he would tho. He wouldn't have much to gain. IMO top prospects are likely to stick in the CHL at least until they're drafted and even then, if they get sent back to juniors I dont know if they'd be willing to pack up and move to an entirely new city for what will probably be a single season.

I wasn't implying that he would just that Medicine Hat would unlikely stand in his way if he wanted to. He did sign a player contract, and his junior team could give him grief over it but the optics of that would be quite terribe

The thing I'm very interested to see is if CHLers would go to the NCAA if the team that drafts them tells them to go to a certain university.

For example, we know that the Boston Bruins have liked steering NCAA eligible players they've drafted to Hockey East schools. If the Bruins draft Jake O'Brien of the Brantford Bulldogs in the O and they want O'Brien to spend at least one or two seasons at Boston University or Boston College, whom the Bruins have very good relationships with, would O'Brien do that? Would O'Brien be able to get out of his CHL Standard Player Agreement and go to the NCAA at 18 or even 19?

Trust me, the CHL values a solid working relationship with the NHL more than anything else. If the Bruins were to tell O'Brien to pack his bags and go to B.U. and he has no problem doing it, his CHL club will not stand in his way.

Most high drafted prospects will more than likely want to be signed by the NHL club in order to have a greater hand in their development, but yeah, NHL teams will of course exert a lot of influence in this.

heard its happening in 2026 when new deal is signed . might be first 2 rounds at age 17 and then next 4 rounds at age 19 . its universal agreed from both sides that they will do something regarding age in the draft .

Lot's of talk about this right now....still to be determined how it will be broken up though....NHLPA really pushing for shorter signing window, at least for the 18-year-old drafted players

 

[landy92mack29]

lol good one - spit my coffee out . i still think CHL gets younger and becomes a feeder to the NCAA. they will move the draft age to 19 and everybody high end will play in one league - college

the high end talent will continue to go the chl route and stay there until they go pro. NCAA will get the leftovers who aren't quite ready for pro or don't want to risk being stuck in the echl at 20.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The thing I'm very interested to see is if CHLers would go to the NCAA if the team that drafts them tells them to go to a certain university.

For example, we know that the Boston Bruins have liked steering NCAA eligible players they've drafted to Hockey East schools. If the Bruins draft Jake O'Brien of the Brantford Bulldogs in the O and they want O'Brien to spend at least one or two seasons at Boston University or Boston College, whom the Bruins have very good relationships with, would O'Brien do that? Would O'Brien be able to get out of his CHL Standard Player Agreement and go to the NCAA at 18 or even 19?

It's pretty rare for a kid to not already be committed prior to the draft. Obviously some are already playing at NCAA schools before even being drafted depending on their birthday (and then the Celebrini route, who isn't the first and likely won't be the last to go to an NCAA school even though it's only their age 17 season). I think it's more likely a bias some teams have for players committed to nearby schools where they know/trust the coaches, rather than a case where NHL orgs are going to try and deliberately steer players towards schools. Not to mention, legally they don't have a right to do that because nobody in the NCAA has signed an ELC (unlike with Major Juniors where an NHL team has a power to assign a player to a junior team via the Transfer Agreement).

 

[Bonin21]

Would love to see data on rookies split by:
CHL to NHL with less than half a season AHL
CHL to NHL with 0.5-1 season AHL
CHL to NHL with more AHL time

And the same for NCAA. If NCAA is easier to jump from, I think you'll see some good players skip the AHL year and rather do it in college.

 

[Kingpin794]

 

[macbowes]

All these rumors of top CHLers going to NCAA is just American cope. Zero chance any top CHLer currently in the CHL plays in the NCAA. DuPont, Misa, McKenna, Martone, etc. will play 0 NCAA games.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Would love to see data on rookies split by:
CHL to NHL with less than half a season AHL
CHL to NHL with 0.5-1 season AHL
CHL to NHL with more AHL time

And the same for NCAA. If NCAA is easier to jump from, I think you'll see some good players skip the AHL year and rather do it in college.

Many NCAA players don't leave until they're older to begin with. If Landon Slaggert isn't a bust, he'll likely end his career with like 40 career AHL games. Had he gone pro when he was 20, that's more like 100+

Yeah, a lot of kids that can't really hack it in college have gone to CHL over the year, Tyler Boucher one example. What's interesting now is that they aren't losing their NCAA eligibility, so they could come back to NCAA, we could see a lot more fluidity between the two. There have certainly been a lot of players that tried NCAA, weren't that good, spent a year in USHL/BCHL then gone back to college (usually a different one). Jay O'Brien for instance. Another reason it doesn't make sense to think there's going to be some all out border war between NCAA/USA Hockey and CHL/Hockey Canada.

I think Weirmair made a mistake trying to go to college directly out of the USNTDP. Obviously most of the team does, but he wasn't very good and didn't make the team fro the U18 Worlds in his year. He was a frequent scratch at Denver the last couple seasons.