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All these rumors of top CHLers going to NCAA is just American cope. Zero chance any top CHLer currently in the CHL plays in the NCAA. DuPont, Misa, McKenna, Martone, etc. will play 0 NCAA games.
It's a pity when people warp this stuff into a nationalistic issue. But even within that construct, saying that Americans are the ones who are coping is some real projection.

The consensus opinion is that the NCAA is going to get better from this because the depth will improve the quality of the league. The question as to whether the elite Canadian talent that has historically chosen the CHL will now (in some cases) opt for the NCAA is the open one. The mere suggestion of that seems to make some people insecure, but I don't think those people are American.
 
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Would love to see data on rookies split by:
CHL to NHL with less than half a season AHL
CHL to NHL with 0.5-1 season AHL
CHL to NHL with more AHL time

And the same for NCAA. If NCAA is easier to jump from, I think you'll see some good players skip the AHL year and rather do it in college.
It's a lot more NCAA kids have/had leverage who can get games promised to bypass ahl than having the talent to not need the ahl. They mostly end up in the ahl/echl/europe after the promise runs out though
 
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Weiremeir sucks

zero improvement at the stage when you should have the biggest jump in college hockey. That’s freshman to sophmore

He got worse during that stage
Ya I imagine that's it for his time at DU, and now he can head to a lesser college next Fall or after Christmas if he enrolls fast enough.
 
All these rumors of top CHLers going to NCAA is just American cope. Zero chance any top CHLer currently in the CHL plays in the NCAA. DuPont, Misa, McKenna, Martone, etc. will play 0 NCAA games.
Just depends how it shakes out. Probably a very high chance that CHL states it intends to keep player rights until they age out and be subject to similar looking transfer agreement as now. The ncaa states it won’t try and poach players to leaving their CHL commitment early and encourages anyone with aspirations of playing ncaa as a teenager to play in the USHL or BCHL. Players understand this and proceed accordingly. In which case, probably nothing too dramatic happens compared to now. Just movement on the margins where kids that wouldn’t be ncaa ready until 20 but are good enough to make CHL rosters will go there but the ushl (despite predictions of death) still holds a place to get the aforementioned Michael Hage types that know they want to be ncaa players and will likely be good enough in two years to be ready when they’re 18 or 19. NCAA depth improves with many of the former USports types. Biggest “losers” are NAHL, Canadian Junior A, and maybe BCHL as they’re usually not as many high end as USHL and of course USports itself. CHL particularly in QMJHL will pick up a bit at the margins but probably no paradigm shift for notable nhl prospects either way.
 
Many NCAA players don't leave until they're older to begin with. If Landon Slaggert isn't a bust, he'll likely end his career with like 40 career AHL games. Had he gone pro when he was 20, that's more like 100+

Yeah, a lot of kids that can't really hack it in college have gone to CHL over the year, Tyler Boucher one example. What's interesting now is that they aren't losing their NCAA eligibility, so they could come back to NCAA, we could see a lot more fluidity between the two. There have certainly been a lot of players that tried NCAA, weren't that good, spent a year in USHL/BCHL then gone back to college (usually a different one). Jay O'Brien for instance. Another reason it doesn't make sense to think there's going to be some all out border war between NCAA/USA Hockey and CHL/Hockey Canada.

I think Weirmair made a mistake trying to go to college directly out of the USNTDP. Obviously most of the team does, but he wasn't very good and didn't make the team fro the U18 Worlds in his year. He was a frequent scratch at Denver the last couple seasons.
I agree there’s going to be more fluidity. Weirmair is much closer to an average junior player that you find in the CHL/USHL. Most of these kids would be better off playing junior til 20 and then making the jump to the NCAA at 20. The one complaint for the USHL is that they lose their talent at 19. Maybe the influx of CHLers will convince American kids to stay down a level instead of getting 4th line minutes.
 
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Weiremeir sucks

zero improvement at the stage when you should have the biggest jump in college hockey. That’s freshman to sophmore

He got worse during that stage

Possible academic issues as well perhaps??
 
Possible academic issues as well perhaps??

Don’t know
Denver is the quarter system

So they’ve been off classes for over a week now.
First 2 years are mostly electives, as I went to DU

He gets prefential selection of classes so he can choose pretty damn easy courses, the ones that fill up the quickest

He’d have to be insanely challenged to be struggling at where he is.
 

I wonder if we'll see some kids who leave schools midseason, only to go to the CHL for the remainder of the year, only to return to NCAA the next season. Because you can't transfer in the NCAA during the season obv.

Not saying this is what's gonna happen here, but I guess it's an option for these kids now. Things might get really weird now, lol
 
I wonder if we'll see some kids who leave schools midseason, only to go to the CHL for the remainder of the year, only to return to NCAA the next season. Because you can't transfer in the NCAA during the season obv.

Not saying this is what's gonna happen here, but I guess it's an option for these kids now. Things might get really weird now, lol
Would be interesting. Natural stopping point in the academic year around the new year. easy time to cut ties and reset for the season. Don't know if we see a ton of it but could see a couple more use the CHL as a holding spot until the offseason.
 
That has always been an option in the USHL so it's not like it's going to get way more popular. And most of the time, once you leave mid season you don't end up back at the same school.
 
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It's a lot more NCAA kids have/had leverage who can get games promised to bypass ahl than having the talent to not need the ahl. They mostly end up in the ahl/echl/europe after the promise runs out though
Bad take. Not every player can leverage an end of the season signing/burning a year and getting in end of year games. The one that do aren't "mostly" ECHL players. Not surprised since your takes are pretty consistently bad on high-end NCAA players all being CHL roster cuts (fully expect the "haha" reaction from you to this)
 
All these rumors of top CHLers going to NCAA is just American cope. Zero chance any top CHLer currently in the CHL plays in the NCAA. DuPont, Misa, McKenna, Martone, etc. will play 0 NCAA games.
Probably about as valid as the claims that the CHL is about to bulldoze the USHL and the reason why the CHL isn’t scooping up any important USHL’ers is because the USHL is holding them for ransom.
 
I’m from USA how would I watch CHL games on my TV - thx - times are changing lol
 
I agree there’s going to be more fluidity. Weirmair is much closer to an average junior player that you find in the CHL/USHL. Most of these kids would be better off playing junior til 20 and then making the jump to the NCAA at 20. The one complaint for the USHL is that they lose their talent at 19. Maybe the influx of CHLers will convince American kids to stay down a level instead of getting 4th line minutes.

Wiermair is the exception to the rule as most players do enter college at 20. In fact less than 8 percent of incoming freshman were true freshman and less than 25 percent were under the age of 20. What the USHL loses is their best talent, and even at that the numbers, in the aggregate, are not that significant as most of those loses come from the NTDP (and you can argue if that team is truly a "member" of the USHL),

So yes, the very cream of the crop leaves the USHL before their 20 year old season but the large majority of their 18 and quite significant number of their 19 year old players remain in the league.

Of course in this thread the main emphasis is on what impact this rule change will have on the absolute best 16 and 17 year old players and the NHL drafted elite 18 and 19 year old ones. Some believe the changes will only be at the margins and most leagues will not be all that impacted, others that the top 16-17 year old will concentrate in the CHL and they jump to the NCAA as the preferred route to the NHL while others believe most will bypass the NCAA all together.

We don't really know but we can look at trends, follow social media accounts and for some talk to people who are insiders. This will all play out within the next few years, however so we won't have to wait that long to find out.

I do know (and again, you can use my words as toilet paper and wipe your arses with it if you'd like...no matter) that ownership groups in both the BCHL and USHL are approaching the WHL/OHL respectively to join. This gives me a pretty good indication of where most of the best young 16-17 year old players will be within the next few years.

I also know that Bob Turow is talking to various college coaches and commissioners, pleading with them to get younger or risk turning into U-Sports. I don't think that either will happen (curious to see what happens the NCAA meeting this spring when the council will be reviewing things like age of enrollment...unfortunately for Bob the D-1 coaches are lobbying for no change in hockey) and I can understand exactly what Brandon Naurato was saying that his main competition will not be the CHL but the AHL. I think we can take from that that he understands the top players will be in the CHL and the real battle will be between top prospects signing ELCs to play in the NHL/ AHL or spend a year or two in college.

All eyes are on Gavin McKenna right now for next season and believe me, every top school has made inquiries and have been blowing up his agent's phone. Some think that his standard player contract ties him to the dub, but as I've argued, the dub would not hold him back just because of the optics and potential blowback from agents (as the USHL will soon experience due to their 15-50 k transfer fees holding players in).

Agents are what really run the world of prospects now folks, the CHL knows it, college programs hate it but live with it and even the NHL bends to some of their demands. His agent will have a large say in determining what is best for McKenna and of course what McKenna wants as well.

I know some think that NIL will be the big deciding factor and that 1st and 2nd round picks are commanding six figure salaries, meaning that right now there is 3 to 3.5 million NIL money spread out among 32 players in college today. You can believe that if you want and you can also think that a generous benefactor will swoop down and pay 125k for McKenna's services like the wife of billionaire founder of Oracle did but while plausible, unlikely and not to mention the fact that being Canadian complicates what ever NIL deal he may receive.

I know the link I provided previously by the reporting of the Athletic/NYT was behind a paywall and most may not have access to it but the black book value (used by agents in determining compensation for NIL deals) for hockey players was under 3K. As for brand companies and NIL, social media following is huge, so unless McKenna has hundreds of thousands of followers, then he really won't get much of a payout there. Here is a link to the NCAA dashboard

Money isn't just swimming around like that in college hockey and most likely won't be for the foreseeable future
 
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heard its happening in 2026 when new deal is signed . might be first 2 rounds at age 17 and then next 4 rounds at age 19 . its universal agreed from both sides that they will do something regarding age in the draft .
17 🤣, no chance of that happening.
 
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Just an uninformed Canadian here sharing my opinion after reading through this thread.

I don't see any high end/elite Canadian leave their CHL team for the NCAA, without assurances that they will get some financial compensation, either by NIL or by college boosters (as was the norm before NIL.) Most Canadians don't value the American college experience, rather their dream is to go through the CHL, then hope to represent the country in the WJHC. Then get their hands on NHL money, as quickly as possible.

And the surest way to grow the game in the States is to develop their own Gretzky or Lemieux, and preferably if he was a visible minority to attract the most attention.
 


As posters keep filing in and continue the long tradition in this thread of insisting that high-end CHL talent will not consider the NCAA, let's hear rationalizations for this one. Attack the source? Call it nothing more than hearsay? Label Misa as a low-end talent? Chalk it up to a one-off? I'll hang up and listen.
 


As posters keep filing in and continue the long tradition in this thread of insisting that high-end CHL talent will not consider the NCAA, let's hear rationalizations for this one. Attack the source? Call it nothing more than hearsay? Label Misa as a low-end talent? Chalk it up to a one-off? I'll hang up and listen.

Ya there will be some go at 18, for sure
Misa will have done 3 years of CHL, so not much left for him there.
so playing in his 18/19 year old season, in NCAA don’t see surprising,
Just like it won’t be surprising for more USA guys to go to CHL for a couple of years
 
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As posters keep filing in and continue the long tradition in this thread of insisting that high-end CHL talent will not consider the NCAA, let's hear rationalizations for this one. Attack the source? Call it nothing more than hearsay? Label Misa as a low-end talent? Chalk it up to a one-off? I'll hang up and listen.


Scores of top CHL players have been approached by "blue bloods" for playing next year. A few will go, but most will not.....and I wouldn't be to sure about Misa......
 
Scores of top CHL players have been approached by "blue bloods" for playing next year. A few will go, but most will not.....and I wouldn't be to sure about Misa......
So you're just chiming in to again dispute what real insiders with actual sources are reporting. Thanks for the update.
 
So you're just chiming in to again dispute what real insiders with actual sources are reporting. Thanks for the update.

We will see......



Still don't think it will go well in Youngstown...but I guess ownership really wants in. Will be interesting if they can come up with the expansion fees....
 
Scores of top CHL players have been approached by "blue bloods" for playing next year. A few will go, but most will not.....and I wouldn't be to sure about Misa......
Still waiting on that source that disputed Mike McMahon.
 

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