CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[WarriorofTime]

There is no school giving any where near the "going rate" of 125k for mid first round picks. Will some rich alumni step forward and make that happen....maybe but as of now it is not happening.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

High profile hockey schools like Boston University, North Dakota, & Denver intrigue me because they don't have FBS football to spend NIL on.

 

[WarriorofTime]

High profile hockey schools like Boston University, North Dakota, & Denver intrigue me because they don't have FBS football to spend NIL on.

Even a relative no name like Minnesota State is getting in on it.

 

[Corso]

A hockey east school offered three players 50k a year. No other school has come close to matching that number. No current Michigan player is earning anywhere near six figures in NIL.

 

[WarriorofTime]

A hockey east school offered three players 50k a year. No other school has come close to matching that number. No current Michigan player is earning anywhere near six figures in NIL.

Alright, I'll go tell Mike McMahon he's a liar.

 

[Corso]

Alright, I'll go tell Mike McMahon he's a liar.

He was misinformed.

Michigan simply does not have a collective in hockey able to give five of their players 125k a year. In fact the entire team's NIL is less than 125k a year. B.C. was rather fortunate in coming up with the value they did for the three players paid....and it was only paid in yearly installments. One player has left and I'm not sure if the remaining 100k was distributed to another player.

College hockey simply does not generate the revenue nor have the donor backing to pay dozens of first and second round picks low 6 figure a year NIL deals.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Michigan simply does not have a collective in hockey able to give five of their players 125k a year.

Why can't they in the next five years?

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Why can't they in the next five years?

They could, I just don't think they care enough to establish a substantial collective for hockey. Minnesota, where the university & alums care more about hockey, definitely could.

 

[Corso]

Why can't they in the next five years?

It would be a lot of heavy lifting, especially when the school/donors are explicitly funneling money towards the football program.

Not sure if you understand how NIL works in the world of NCAA athletics right now. Schools cannot simply use the money they generate at the gate and through media for the direct payment of players. The money comes from donors in the form of collectives to "employ" players for their use of NIL.

Football and to a lesser extent basketball, through their extensive media presence are able to generate the "hype" needed to form collectives that go and raise millions of dollars to shower on "student" athletes. Hockey simply doesn't have that type of reach or pull.

Can the Michigan hockey program, by beating the bushes and making one hell of a concentrated push come up with the money to pay both a McKenna and a Martone 125k NIL deal, maybe but that would be a one off.....not to mention the fact that the deal would have to be structured in a way that both players are "earning" the money through Canadian subsidiaries . In short, highly improbable but hey one never knows.

 

[Wieters]

The growth of the game in the U.S. was due to NHL expansion. College hockey has played a very very minor role in that growth. Not to say that college hockey isn't important in the markets and niche it serves but the NHL in no way sees it as "the way to grow the game".

CHL expansion into the U.S. would allow for more U.S. born kids to play a high level of hockey and the NHL is very interested in that.

Just because college hockey has not been popular in the past doesn't mean it couldn't increase in popularity and isn't the best way to convert college sports fans into NHL fans. One of the major reasons why college hockey hasn't taken off in the US is because the quality of players is relatively low compared to the quality of players in other college sports (football, basketball, where the best amateur talent in the world play) and other developmental hockey leagues (like the CHL). If the quality of the player pool improves from this very change we're all discussing here, then college hockey can grow in popularity.

I'm sure the CHL would like to expand. And maybe the NHL sees some angle in supporting that expansion. But the idea that planting CHL organizations in American cities is going to go a long ways in growing the sport is a pipe dream. Hockey is at best the fourth or fifth most popular sport in almost every city in the US; I find it very difficult to believe there would be an appetite for teenage hockey that isn't affiliated with either an NHL team or a college. That model works in Canada because hockey is by far the most popular sport and there are no colleges to really compete with.

 

[bigdog16]

They could, I just don't think they care enough to establish a substantial collective for hockey. Minnesota, where the university & alums care more about hockey, definitely could.

I could see it at schools like Minnesota and North Dakota. It would simply never happen at a Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Ohio State. Womens basketball almost draws more fans than hockey at those schools.

 

[Wieters]

I could see it at schools like Minnesota and North Dakota. It would simply never happen at a Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Ohio State. Womens basketball almost draws more fans than hockey at those schools.

Not that this is representative of the average draw for these teams, but the highest attended hockey game of all time was Michigan vs. Michigan State (115k people at the Big House). That was a one-off event, but I do think it goes to show how the infrastructure for Americans to care about college hockey is there if the quality of play/stakes improve.

 

[Wieters]

A hockey east school offered three players 50k a year. No other school has come close to matching that number. No current Michigan player is earning anywhere near six figures in NIL.

Why are you saying this with certainty? The NIL deals guys get offered are shrouded in secrecy. How much did Hagens get?

 

[Corso]

Why are you saying this with certainty? The NIL deals guys get offered are shrouded in secrecy. How much did Hagens get?

Was told by someone with direct knowledge and they are not shrouded in secrecy like you think...

Just because college hockey has not been popular in the past doesn't mean it couldn't increase in popularity and isn't the best way to convert college sports fans into NHL fans. One of the major reasons why college hockey hasn't taken off in the US is because the quality of players is relatively low compared to the quality of players in other college sports (football, basketball, where the best amateur talent in the world play) and other developmental hockey leagues (like the CHL). If the quality of the player pool improves from this very change we're all discussing here, then college hockey can grow in popularity.

I'm sure the CHL would like to expand. And maybe the NHL sees some angle in supporting that expansion. But the idea that planting CHL organizations in American cities is going to go a long ways in growing the sport is a pipe dream. Hockey is at best the fourth or fifth most popular sport in almost every city in the US; I find it very difficult to believe there would be an appetite for teenage hockey that isn't affiliated with either an NHL team or a college. That model works in Canada because hockey is by far the most popular sport and there are no colleges to really compete with.

Sure, it could increase in popularity but so could college soccer and lacrosse both of which are played by more majors than hockey is. As of now it is a niche sport and has been for quite some time.

CHL expansion would grow the game at the local level and more importantly provide greater opportunities for American born players.

 

[Wieters]

Was told by someone with direct knowledge and they are not shrouded in secrecy like you think...

Then how much did Hagens get? Because if you don't know, then how can you say with certainty who has earned the most? Does your source know how much money every single player gets? BC is a private school and is under no obligation to disclose this information.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Not that this is representative of the average draw for these teams, but the highest attended hockey game of all time was Michigan vs. Michigan State (115k people at the Big House). That was a one-off event, but I do think it goes to show how the infrastructure for Americans to care about college hockey is there if the quality of play/stakes improve.

Michigan is an interesting hockey state. The sport is hugely popular there, but still niche to the point where the general populace still cares far far more about football and basketball at the university level. When big hockey events happen and when teams are doing well, Michiganders certainly show their fandom and interest in hockey. But I don't think they live and breathe hockey every day. Only Minnesota does, and even there, it can get niche as a sport amongst some.

I don't think Michigan or State will put a ton of money into hockey collectives.

 

[Corso]

Then how much did Hagens get? Because if you don't know, then how can you say with certainty who has earned the most? Does your source know how much money every single player gets? BC is a private school and is under no obligation to disclose this information.

Yeah, my source is pretty well informed, seeing how he has what you would call "business relationships" with many of those players.....don't know what Hagens got but I can speculate it wasn't as much. You do realize that B.C. is not the one actually paying this money, right? Most collectives are indeed private entities that until now did not have to disclose their donations but the House Settlement, once fully approved, will require all athletes to disclose deals in excess of 600 dollars.

Michigan is an interesting hockey state. The sport is hugely popular there, but still niche to the point where the general populace still cares far far more about football and basketball at the university level. When big hockey events happen and when teams are doing well, Michiganders certainly show their fandom and interest in hockey. But I don't think they live and breathe hockey every day. Only Minnesota does, and even there, it can get niche as a sport amongst some.

I don't think Michigan or State will put a ton of money into hockey collectives.

Especially now that Michigan is following the "Ohio State" model of football collectives.....most money will be funneled to the football program, crowding out other sport programs.

 

[Wieters]

Yeah, my source is pretty well informed, seeing how he has what you would call "business relationships" with many of those players.....don't know what Hagens got but I can speculate it wasn't as much. You do realize that B.C. is not the one actually paying this money, right? Most collectives are indeed private entities that until now did not have to disclose their donations but the House Settlement, once fully approved, will require all athletes to disclose deals in excess of 600 dollars.

So you don't know. In which case you can't say definitively say who the highest earner is and are just conjecturing like the rest of us. Just so we're all clear on that.

 

[Corso]

So you don't know. In which case you can't say definitively say who the highest earner is and are just conjecturing like the rest of us. Just so we're all clear on that.

I do know exactly what three players were paid and I do know it was a one off... no conjecture or speculation....take it for what you will.

 

[Wieters]

I do know exactly what three players were paid and I do know it was a one off... no conjecture or speculation....take it for what you will.

Here's what you said before:

A hockey east school offered three players 50k a year. No other school has come close to matching that number.

You can't say that because you don't know how much the player who was presumed at the time of his commitment to BC to be the 1OA and who is NIL eligible got paid. So you're not only conjecturing but you're presenting it as fact.

 

[Corso]

Here's what you said before:


You can't say that because you don't know how much the player who was presumed at the time of his commitment to BC to be the 1OA and who is NIL eligible got paid. So you're not only conjecturing but you're presenting it as fact.

Believe me, I would have been told because I ask the "right people"....believe what you want, however.

 

[Wieters]

Believe me, I would have been told because I ask the "right people"....believe what you want, however.

Whatever source you have--whether real or imaginary--is not in any way entitled to know how much Hagens got.

 

[Breakers]

A guy from the College Hockey news has been pushing this BS narrative since NIL started in 2022 about high 6 figure deals for even 2nd rounders, and 2nd round picks in the NCAA were easy to track, so it was debunked pretty quickly

his source when pressed on the matter........... "trust me bro"

schlossman - crapped on that narrative on the sheer economics and how ridiculous it is
Motzko - Laughed at a press conference and brought up Cooley's deal
Carle - when asked....... our guys got chipotle, as the first chipotle in history was on DU's campus

It's like he is trying to make college hockey appear more popular than it is. It's not even a top 5 sport in the NCAA, or even close to it.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It would be a lot of heavy lifting, especially when the school/donors are explicitly funneling money towards the football program.

Why can't the same or different donors spend some money on the hockey program?

Not sure if you understand how NIL works in the world of NCAA athletics right now. Schools cannot simply use the money they generate at the gate and through media for the direct payment of players. The money comes from donors in the form of collectives to "employ" players for their use of NIL.

Not sure if you do either, all it takes is some donors invested heavily in the hockey program to want to contribute to hockey-based NIL.

Football and to a lesser extent basketball, through their extensive media presence are able to generate the "hype" needed to form collectives that go and raise millions of dollars to shower on "student" athletes. Hockey simply doesn't have that type of reach or pull.

You're the one under the mistaken assumption that any money to hockey needs to be pulled away from football. Even if 9 alum are rapid football guys, if the tenth is a rapid hockey guy, you have hockey-based NIL right there.

Can the Michigan hockey program, by beating the bushes and making one hell of a concentrated push come up with the money to pay both a McKenna and a Martone 125k NIL deal, maybe but that would be a one off.....

$125K is not that much money in the United States. Do you realize how much money is in the United States?

not to mention the fact that the deal would have to be structured in a way that both players are "earning" the money through Canadian subsidiaries . In short, highly improbable but hey one never knows.

Sure.. but if there's a will there's a way.

(btw, substitute "Michigan" for literally anybody else, that's just one school that could potentially be a big NIL player, not necessarily the only one).

 

[Corso]

A guy from the College Hockey news has been pushing this BS narrative since NIL started in 2022 about high 6 figure deals for even 2nd rounders, and 2nd round picks in the NCAA were easy to track, so it was debunked pretty quickly

his source when pressed on the matter........... "trust me bro"

schlossman - crapped on that narrative on the sheer economics and how ridiculous it is
Motzko - Laughed at a press conference and brought up Cooley's deal
Carle - when asked....... our guys got chipotle, as the first chipotle in history was on DU's campus

It's like he is trying to make college hockey appear more popular than it is. It's not even a top 5 sport in the NCAA, or even close to it.

Yeah, reporters have pretty well much debunked the claim of six figure NIL deals in college hockey. Talk to any agent and not one will say so and so chose Michigan over Wisconsin because of NIL....it's almost never a factor in hockey. Some can't be convinced though but hey like I said believe what you want.

It's going to be real fun revisiting this thread in time. I remember last year when news started to break on allowing CHL players into D-1, there were some here that just refused to believe it, calling it strait up B.S. and hanging on to the words of Jim Connelly or College Hockey Inc who dismissed the possibility right out of hand. Some people just like their little bubble and get upset if anything tries to pierce it. So no sense arguing about it, let's just enjoy the ride on the massive change this decision will bring to the amateur hockey landscape.